When Madeleine is Found.

[kizzy]

If someone libels you it's normal to take them to court...they don't have to prove amaral wrong. From what I've seen the ECHR will look at what evidence supports amarals claims to see if what he has said is reasonable...

Well, I cant see how the mccs are going to prove GA libeled them -  or prove him wrong that they were involved.

[Brietta]

This thread is entitled 'When Madeleine is found'. The assumption being that she will be found. That is surely an assumption too far? No-one knows what happened on 3rd May 2007 and therefore in my opinion no-one should be promoting any conclusions about her fate.

This is a discussion forum which welcomes a variety of subjects for debate.  In this instance on the McCann board the thread under discussion refers to Madeleine's survival; in opposition to the supposition asserted with certainty by some also on this McCann board, not only exactly what happened to her on 3rd May 2007 ... but where it happened ... and who was responsible.

I positively adore your sentence ... "No-one knows what happened on 3rd May 2007 and therefore in my opinion no-one should be promoting any conclusions about her fate."
That opinion has never really restricted your valuable input to a variety of previous threads based around certainties being expressed about her fate.  Despite as you so succinctly point out ... no-one knows.

In my opinion therefore I find it a refreshing concept with the brightness of spring upon us to discuss the alternative to the doom and gloom of those alleged 'certainties' and give thought to aspiration of breathing new life into the other possibility that she is not only alive, but well.

I do not understand why you would raise objection to that.

[Mr Gray]

Well, I cant see how the mccs are going to prove GA libeled them -  or prove him wrong that they were involved.

they dont have to prove amaral wrong...they are entitled to the presumption of innocence...to sugget they are not innocent is libel

[Brietta]

All the more reason to stick to the facts. The title of the thread suggests it's a fact that Madeleine will be found and that the only uncertainty is when that will happen. It isn't a fact that she will be found alive.

Excellent debating point.

When Madeleine is found V Madeleine won't be found alive.

My first response to that would be that the thread title does not adulterate facts.   Quite clearly no reference is made to what her status will be when Madeleine is found ... nor is any time scale given.

[G-Unit]

Excellent debating point.

When Madeleine is found V Madeleine won't be found alive.

My first response to that would be that the thread title does not adulterate facts.   Quite clearly no reference is made to what her status will be when Madeleine is found ... nor is any time scale given.

The correct wording in my opinion is 'If Madeleine is found', regardless of her status. After all, she may never be found.

[Mr Gray]

The correct wording in my opinion is 'If Madeleine is found', regardless of her status. After all, she may never be found.

nothing wrong with when madeleine is found...its hypothetical...ddi you not raed the opening post..

When Madeleine is Found, what will we all do?

I use the term "When" loosely.  We don't know if this will ever happen, but it could.

[G-Unit]

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I positively adore your sentence ... "No-one knows what happened on 3rd May 2007 and therefore in my opinion no-one should be promoting any conclusions about her fate."
That opinion has never really restricted your valuable input to a variety of previous threads based around certainties being expressed about her fate.  Despite as you so succinctly point out ... no-one knows.

I have always pointed out that no-one knows what happened on 3rd May, no matter what the thread title has been.

[Miss Taken Identity]

This thread is all about Madeleine.

In my opinion your post reveals that you are the one who has the fixation on her parents. 
I can think of absolutely no-one whose first thought on hearing that Madeleine had been found alive and well would suggest that the outcome you appear to be salivating over would ever occur.

I think it is far more likely that in the event of Madeleine finding her identity she will be be appalled that there were people who spent so many years of her life promoting the notion that she was dead and who have the impudence to imagine that she shares their bigotry to the extent it would even cross her mind to act as you suggest.

As your opinion holds no weight- you may be under the wrong impression that being a mod it does- oh what a silly idea!  I mean really!

My opinion about MBM being dead of alive is of no consequence- I simply don't know. But there is a fity fifty chance she is either dead OR alive! Based on that, fascinating indisputable fact, I expressed an opinion as to what  supporters may make of any outcome, only because they highlighted the idea to start with.

I have no respect for the parents or the taps bunch due to the fact I believe they  have and continue to; withhold certain facts which could have assisted in the search  or for what happened to their daughter.

 supporters opinion  is that makes me  a bad person.   my response to that opinion.

[Miss Taken Identity]

I believe poster's here realise that it isn't a fact that she will be found alive.
Do you accept that Amarall had no right to promote his assumptions and conclusions as fact?

He has as much right to promote his theory as the McCanns promoted theirs. IMO. 

I, on a personal level, do not chose to believe the parents drugged MBM and murdered her- I also  don't believe she was abducted from the apartment as described by the parents.

This is only a belief. Both could have happened. I will stick to my I DON'T KNOW what happened.

[Mr Gray]

He has as much right to promote his theory as the McCanns promoted theirs. IMO. 

I, on a personal level, do not chose to believe the parents drugged MBM and murdered her- I also  don't believe she was abducted from the apartment as described by the parents.

This is only a belief. Both could have happened. I will stick to my I DON'T KNOW what happened.

He certainly doesn't have the right to promote his theory in the UK and from what I have read neither does he in Portugal. It will be decided by the ECHR

[Miss Taken Identity]

He certainly doesn't have the right to promote his theory in the UK and from what I have read neither does he in Portugal. It will be decided by the ECHR

Until then, he has the right in many countries.

[Mr Gray]

Until then, he has the right in many countries.

I don't think he does...his statements are libel per se..
You are just guessing

[G-Unit]

I don't think he does...his statements are libel per se..
You are just guessing

Amaral's book can be printed in any country where a publisher agrees to publish it. It hasn't even been proved libelous in Portugal.

[Mr Gray]

Amaral's book can be printed in any country where a publisher agrees to publish it. It hasn't even been proved libelous in Portugal.

And it hasnt been proven not libellous. Why do you think no UK publisher would touch it...because its lbellous per se.

the ECHR will be the final arbiter for the countries who are party to the Declaartion of Human Rights

[Mr Gray]

As your opinion holds no weight- you may be under the wrong impression that being a mod it does- oh what a silly idea!  I mean really!

My opinion about MBM being dead of alive is of no consequence- I simply don't know. But there is a fity fifty chance she is either dead OR alive! Based on that, fascinating indisputable fact, I expressed an opinion as to what  supporters may make of any outcome, only because they highlighted the idea to start with.

I have no respect for the parents or the taps bunch due to the fact I believe they  have and continue to; withhold certain facts which could have assisted in the search  or for what happened to their daughter.

 supporters opinion  is that makes me  a bad person.   my response to that opinion.

its not 50/50...you are way out........more like 99.99% dead imo