The shootings in the master bedroom.

[adam]

An 11 shot massacre was possible. But one thing not going to plan & it would fail. A risky massacre/frame attempt if that was his only chance.

However Plan B - the overkill would go into operation if Plan A failed.

[G-Unit]

A successful 11 shot massacre would have had the bedroom phone in the bedroom. Off the hook. As both Nevill & June would have been in there.

Once the 11 shot massacre failed, the other plan was executed - the overkill of a crazed woman.

So you think the perp took a full magazine upstairs plus one extra bullet?

[adam]

A successful 11 shot massacre would have negated a lot of the current incriminating evidence -

Sheila re loading. Twice.

The kitchen fight.

The paint on the silencer.

Sheila being shot twice.

Nevill's back burns.

Nevill being lifted onto a coal scuttle.

The bedroom phone in the kitchen.

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The relatives may have still searched for and found the silencer. But the prosecution would have had a weaker case.

[adam]

AE did not believe Sheila could have reloaded or defeated Nevill in a fight.

These would not be an issue in an 11 shot massacre. She may have been persuaded that Sheila could have shot the sleeping twins, a sleeping June & committed suicide.

But surely AE would not have believed that Nevill would have rang Jeremy or not attempted to disarm Sheila when fully fit.

We'll never know if she would have still gone WHF evidence hunting.

[adam]

You can see why Jeremy went for the inheritance killing.

A successful 11 shot massacre would have put him in a much stronger position. The lack of gun shot residue on Sheila's nightdress being the most serious obvious & intial incriminating forensic evidence.

But if the 11 shot massacre didn't work, there was a Plan B.  Decades later people still believe the completed Plan B shows he is innocent.

[Myster]

So you think the perp took a full magazine upstairs plus one extra bullet?

The magazine only holds ten bullets but an extra one can also be pre-loaded in the breach ready to fire.

[Holly Goodhead]

So you think the perp took a full magazine upstairs plus one extra bullet?

The mag holds ten plus 1 in the breech.  If JB was responsible he would have gone tooled up to the max ie 11.

June sustained 5 entry gsw's and 1 bruise only wound in the first round.  NB sustained 3 entry gsw's and 1 graze only wound upstairs.

[adam]

The mag holds ten plus 1 in the breech.  If JB was responsible he would have gone tooled up to the max ie 11.

June sustained 5 entry gsw's and 1 bruise only wound in the first round.  NB sustained 3 entry gsw's and 1 graze only wound upstairs.

He had the option of fully loading the evening before or downstairs after arriving through the window.

Suspect he fully.loaded at supper. Then checked a few hours later upon arrival, before going upstairs.

[G-Unit]

The magazine only holds ten bullets but an extra one can also be pre-loaded in the breach ready to fire.

As I understand it ten bullets are loaded into the magazine and one of them is loaded into the breech by pulling the cocking lever.

[Holly Goodhead]

As I understand it ten bullets are loaded into the magazine and one of them is loaded into the breech by pulling the cocking lever.

And then pop another in the mag.

[adam]

A 11 shot massacre attempt may have Bamber planning to put the silencer away in advance. If he knew in advance Sheila could not reach the trigger with it on.

Sheila would not have had to do anything complicated. Such as reload. So why leave evidence next to her of an unscrewed silencer?

Once Sheila had to reload, he still decided to put the silencer away. The use of a silencer is likely in a quiet massacre attempt but Sheila was supposed to have gone crazy.

[G-Unit]

And then pop another in the mag.

So completely fill the magazine, attach it to the rifle and cock it to put one cartridge in the breech. Then remove the magazine again and put another cartridge into it. Does cocking it then release the new cardridge into the breech too?

[Myster]

So completely fill the magazine, attach it to the rifle and cock it to put one cartridge in the breech. Then remove the magazine again and put another cartridge into it. Does cocking it then release the new cardridge into the breech too?

As soon as a bullet in the breach has been fired, the resultant explosive gases force the firing pin mechanism back to recock automatically, leaving room for the next cartridge to load itself by means of a compressed spring in the magazine.

The Anschutz 525 magazine is similar to this one but holds more cartridges... https://youtu.be/o1RgW9KFqBE?t=75

Skip to loading the magazine here... https://youtu.be/o1RgW9KFqBE?t=454

[G-Unit]

As soon as a bullet in the breach has been fired, the resultant explosive gases force the firing pin mechanism back to recock automatically, leaving room for the next cartridge to load itself by means of a compressed spring in the magazine.

The Anschutz 525 magazine is similar to this one but holds more cartridges... https://youtu.be/o1RgW9KFqBE?t=75

Skip to loading the magazine here... https://youtu.be/o1RgW9KFqBE?t=454

So you cock the rifle after attaching the magazine the first time, but not after attaching it the second time?

[Myster]

So you cock the rifle after attaching the magazine the first time, but not after attaching it the second time?

If there's a new cartridge already in the breach waiting to be fired, then there is no need to cock the bolt (with attached firing pin) and trigger again after inserting a freshly-loaded magazine.   If there's no cartridge at all in the breach, then you have to cock the trigger manually, like this chap is doing at the beginning of the video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNrlfDPC_xs