Jeremy Bamber’s Proven Lies

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Another member said there was no evidence that Nevill used the phone. I pointed out that a witness testified that Nevill did use the phone. Evidence is evidence, whether it's believed or not.

How can Jeremy be his own witness?!

That’s nuts.

[Holly Goodhead]

This one? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2225827.stm - Very similar, murder or suicide?

Malcolm Fletcher's qualifications include BSc, FFSSoc, FSSoc Dip

And what qualified him to provide testimony at the time of JB's trial?

[Holly Goodhead]

Is it not acceptable to refer to Jeremy as a liar now either?

I am only concerned with those who post here.  If we allowed one poster to refer to another as a liar it would have the potential to send the forum into meltdown. 

If you wish to refer to JB as a liar or any other disparaging term go for it.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I am only concerned with those who post here.  If we allowed one poster to refer to another as a liar it would have the potential to send the forum into meltdown. 

If you wish to refer to JB as a liar or any other disparaging term go for it.

Who called who on here a liar?  The “others” referred to were the others involved in the case not people on this forum as I understood it.  Jeremy IS a proven liar and it is therefore not disparaging to say so.

[Holly Goodhead]

Who called who on here a liar?  The “others” referred to were the others involved in the case not people on this forum as I understood it.  Jeremy IS a proven liar and it is therefore not disparaging to say so.

Please stay on topic and desist with stiring.

[APRIL]

Who called who on here a liar?  The “others” referred to were the others involved in the case not people on this forum as I understood it.  Jeremy IS a proven liar and it is therefore not disparaging to say so.

It may have been I who first used the word which has, indeed, been the cause of major fireworks elsewhere!! but I was actually referencing everyone OTHER than Jeremy, who apparently is the only one not guilty.

[Holly Goodhead]

Please stick to the thread topic.

Any further off-topic posts will be removed on sight.

Thanks.

[Caroline]

And what qualified him to provide testimony at the time of JB's trial?

13 years of working in the firearms department at the Home Office Forensic science lab - that's what.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Who called who on here a liar?  The “others” referred to were the others involved in the case not people on this forum as I understood it.  Jeremy IS a proven liar and it is therefore not disparaging to say so.

Another example of Jeremy Bamber’s blatant lies is when he told the police (more than once) as they were outside WHF, that his sister was a psychopath.

Sheila wasn’t a psychopath, which everyone knows.

He knew she wasn’t too....


If anyone wishes to verify that it’s in CAL’s book; several police officers repeated exactly what Jeremy said to them.

[mrswah]

Another example of Jeremy Bamber’s blatant lies is when he told the police (more than once) as they were outside WHF, that his sister was a psychopath.

Sheila wasn’t a psychopath, which everyone knows.

He knew she wasn’t too....


If anyone wishes to verify that it’s in CAL’s book; several police officers repeated exactly what Jeremy said to them.

Thanks---I had missed that, although I recall Jeremy described Sheila as a "nutter".

IMO, Sheila was in no way a psychopath. Jeremy fits the bill far better. However, having never met either of them, and not being a psychiatrist, I'm really in no position to state either as fact.

[Holly Goodhead]

Thanks---I had missed that, although I recall Jeremy described Sheila as a "nutter".

IMO, Sheila was in no way a psychopath. Jeremy fits the bill far better. However, having never met either of them, and not being a psychiatrist, I'm really in no position to state either as fact.

As a former school teacher you may well be familiar with attachment theory?   I know it is covered on PGCE courses today.  It has an evolutionary basis to it and involves how babies/toddlers/small children bond with their primary caregivers.  If this goes awry it can cause problems during the attachment phase circa 2 years with the potential for various issues including learning.  At the extreme end a correlation exists between attachment disorders and psychopathy.  During 1959, when SC was 2 yoa, June suffered severe depression requiring in-patient psychiatric care and ECT.  Imo this was at the root of SC's problems and mental illness.

[The General]

As a former school teacher you may well be familiar with attachment theory?   I know it is covered on PGCE courses today.  It has an evolutionary basis to it and involves how babies/toddlers/small children bond with their primary caregivers.  If this goes awry it can cause problems during the attachment phase circa 2 years with the potential for various issues including learning.  At the extreme end a correlation exists between attachment disorders and psychopathy.  During 1959, when SC was 2 yoa, June suffered severe depression requiring in-patient psychiatric care and ECT.  Imo this was at the root of SC's problems and mental illness.

I can see where this is going. Do you believe Sheila killed (or was capable of killing) her entire family, except Jeremy bizarrely, then killed herself?

[mrswah]

As a former school teacher you may well be familiar with attachment theory?   I know it is covered on PGCE courses today.  It has an evolutionary basis to it and involves how babies/toddlers/small children bond with their primary caregivers.  If this goes awry it can cause problems during the attachment phase circa 2 years with the potential for various issues including learning.  At the extreme end a correlation exists between attachment disorders and psychopathy.  During 1959, when SC was 2 yoa, June suffered severe depression requiring in-patient psychiatric care and ECT.  Imo this was at the root of SC's problems and mental illness.

Yes, I'm certainly familiar with attachment theory, and IMO, you make a valid point about June's relationship with Sheila.

[mrswah]

I can see where this is going. Do you believe Sheila killed (or was capable of killing) her entire family, except Jeremy bizarrely, then killed herself?

I don't think the conversation was leading to Sheila being the killer, only to possible reasons for her illness, and nobody can deny that she did have severe mental health problems. June had suffered from mental health problems too.

I expect you were asking this question of Holly, but, for what it's worth, I do think Sheila was capable of carrying out the killings. Just my opinion though, and I am by no means sure that she did carry them out.

[Holly Goodhead]

I can see where this is going. Do you believe Sheila killed (or was capable of killing) her entire family, except Jeremy bizarrely, then killed herself?

Everything I post is imo evidenced led.

My interpretation of SC's early start in life and all the physical evidence at soc leads me to conclude she was responsible.

JB did not live at WHF and did not have any say in SC's life unlike her adoptive parents particularly her mother.

SC discussed with her psychiatrist morbid thoughts re her twin sons and her mother.  She never mentioned JB and there's no evidence she viewed her father as anything other than positive.  Although the psychiatrist did say if her father made any suggestion about her being separated from her children he would expect her to react very strongly.  According to JB her parents were discussing fostering of the twins.