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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #195 on: April 08, 2020, 07:25:21 PM »

April.

Everything I’ve ever posted on here I’ve got from official sources such as the Court Hearings Statements, CAL’s book etc...and I’ve quoted them. I haven’t always put links up, or pictures, often because I’ve had problems adding photos etc, which I’ve actually found frustrating!

I’ve been accused of making things up, and I have indeed supplied proof, much to the chagrin of people such as Holly, MrsWah and G-Unit — all staunch supporters of Jeremy Bamber. Just one example is when I said Sheila had an unusually high level of Haloperidol in her system: I got jumped on and accused of being a liar. I then supplied proof from Colin Caffell’s book, and G-Unit said “Oh, he’s wrong!”

If you care to go through my posts you’ll see where I HAVE provided several links or managed to put a photo up, and I’d like you to do that.

There’s been jus a few occasions when I’ve either forgotten someone wanted evidence (which I KNOW exists), as I’ve simply moved on to new discussions and never thought the particular requests were that relevant to start with. I also find it tedious trawling through tons of data to find one point just to satisfy someone who can’t be bothered to hunt it out themselves.

And when I DO post evidence, it’s often either ignored, or just not discussed.

I shall trawl back through my posts on here and find some where I have posted the evidence, and you’ll see the responses I’ve had.

I will find the official source where I read about Sheila’s hair, and I’m sure I’ll get little feedback for my time and trouble. Incidentally, it wasn’t on here and nor was it in CAL’s book, but read it I did. I don’t just read forums or books for my research, I go much deeper. And I most certainly wouldn’t lie about a thing like that. I never lie unnecessarily — but I’m not infallible and am occasionally wrong. And if I am wrong I will always admit it and apologise. I have done on here, which you’ll see in my posts. But I know what I read about Sheila’s hair being examined: EVERYTHING is examined in a PM, even down to the food in their stomach if it hasn’t digested.

The toxicology tests undertaken by forensic scientist, Alexander Allan, are key to understanding the level of Haloperidol in SC's system at tod not CC.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Caroline

Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #196 on: April 08, 2020, 07:25:50 PM »

April.

Everything I’ve ever posted on here I’ve got from official sources such as the Court Hearings Statements, CAL’s book etc...and I’ve quoted them. I haven’t always put links up, or pictures, often because I’ve had problems adding photos etc, which I’ve actually found frustrating!

I’ve been accused of making things up, and I have indeed supplied proof, much to the chagrin of people such as Holly, MrsWah and G-Unit — all staunch supporters of Jeremy Bamber. Just one example is when I said Sheila had an unusually high level of Haloperidol in her system: I got jumped on and accused of being a liar. I then supplied proof from Colin Caffell’s book, and G-Unit said “Oh, he’s wrong!”

If you care to go through my posts you’ll see where I HAVE provided several links or managed to put a photo up, and I’d like you to do that.

There’s been jus a few occasions when I’ve either forgotten someone wanted evidence (which I KNOW exists), as I’ve simply moved on to new discussions and never thought the particular requests were that relevant to start with. I also find it tedious trawling through tons of data to find one point just to satisfy someone who can’t be bothered to hunt it out themselves.

And when I DO post evidence, it’s often either ignored, or just not discussed.

I shall trawl back through my posts on here and find some where I have posted the evidence, and you’ll see the responses I’ve had.

I will find the official source where I read about Sheila’s hair, and I’m sure I’ll get little feedback for my time and trouble. Incidentally, it wasn’t on here and nor was it in CAL’s book, but read it I did. I don’t just read forums or books for my research, I go much deeper. And I most certainly wouldn’t lie about a thing like that. I never lie unnecessarily — but I’m not infallible and am occasionally wrong. And if I am wrong I will always admit it and apologise. I have done on here, which you’ll see in my posts. But I know what I read about Sheila’s hair being examined: EVERYTHING is examined in a PM, even down to the food in their stomach if it hasn’t digested.

Hi Spy, it comes with the territory I'm afraid - I have posted Bambers letters before and have still been accused of not being honest. The best thing for everyone is to always post a source. If you have problems posting a document of page from CAL's book, just let me know and I'll do it for you. I have most of the documents and CAL's book but if it's something I don't have, I can walk you through how to post it. I also hate looking for the reference stuff but without it no one is going to believe it. As for Colin being wrong, G Unit has no idea if he's wrong or not - he may have been told that, perhaps they expected Sheila to have less meds in her system,

Offline APRIL

Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #197 on: April 08, 2020, 07:27:55 PM »

April.

Everything I’ve ever posted on here I’ve got from official sources such as the Court Hearings Statements, CAL’s book etc...and I’ve quoted them. I haven’t always put links up, or pictures, often because I’ve had problems adding photos etc, which I’ve actually found frustrating!

I’ve been accused of making things up, and I have indeed supplied proof, much to the chagrin of people such as Holly, MrsWah and G-Unit — all staunch supporters of Jeremy Bamber. Just one example us when I said Sheila had an unusually high level of Haloperidol in her system: I got jumped on accused of being a liar. I then supplied proof from Colin Caffell’s book, and G-Unit said “Oh, he’s wrong!”

If you care to go through my posts you’ll see where I HAVE provided several links or managed to put a photo up, and I’d like you to do that.

There’s been many just one or two occasions when I’ve either forgotten someone wanted evidence (which I KNOW exists), as I’ve simply moved on to new discussions and never thought the particular requests were that relevant to start with. I also find it tedious trawling through tons of data to find one point just to satisfy someone who can’t be bothered to hunt it out themselves.

And when I DO post evidence, it’s often either ignored, or just not discussed.

I shall trawl back through my posts on here and find some where I have posted the evidence, and you’ll see the responses I’ve had.

I will find the official source where I read about Sheila’s hair, and I’m sure I’ll get little feedback for my time and trouble. Incidentally, it wasn’t on here and nor was it in CAL’s book, but read it I did. I don’t just read forums or books for my research, I go much deeper. And I most certainly wouldn’t lie about a thing like that! I never lie unnecessarily — but I’m not infallible and am occasionally wrong. And if I am wrong I will always admit it and apologise. I have done on here, which you’ll see in my posts. But I know what I read about Sheila’s hair being examined: EVERYTHING is examined in a PM, even down to the food in their stomach if it hasn’t digested.

Simply because it's in print, doesn't make it true. You should be aware that not all you read can be accepted as being true. Back to Sheila's hair for the moment. With the benefit of the PM, it's wet/dry state was argued ad nausuem on another forum. Had the report mentioned it, there'd have been no purpose in the argument. Incidentally, the partially digested food in her stomach is documented. At the other end of the scale, an author named Claire X? writes as if she not only knew the family personally, but almost as if she shared the last meal with them. It was accepted as being definitive by many. It was little more than a docunovel. She didn't know the family and it was written years after they were dead. But it sold.

I don't doubt that you've read 'it' and that sharing your finds with us might be well intentioned and demonstrate how interested in the case you are. However, there are those who know it the best part of inside out and if you present something iffy, without naming a source, you will be jumped on. All I can suggest is that if you think you've read it, find the source before you write.
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Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #198 on: April 08, 2020, 07:29:51 PM »
There is literally no evidence that Sheila committed the murders but many individuals are convinced she did it.  Is it possible to murder 4 people, then kill yourself and not to leave a single piece of forensic evidence linking you to the deaths?  Someone who intended to evade detection may very well take steps to ensure no incriminating evidence is left at the scene but there would have been no need for Sheila to cover it up as she killed herself.

Even someone who tried to hide all incriminating evidence would find that difficult, I would think. I doubt one can clean up ALL forensic evidence. I agree with what you say about Sheila not needing to cover anything up. Yes, many people are convinced she did it. It would be interesting to ask your question on a forum where there are more "supporters " and see what they have to say!

Offline Caroline

Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #199 on: April 08, 2020, 07:32:58 PM »
Even someone who tried to hide all incriminating evidence would find that difficult, I would think. I doubt one can clean up ALL forensic evidence. I agree with what you say about Sheila not needing to cover anything up. Yes, many people are convinced she did it. It would be interesting to ask your question on a forum where there are more "supporters " and see what they have to say!

Even more difficult when you never left the scene!

Bamber burned a load of his parents clothes shortly after the murders, he could easily have burned some of his own along with them.

No good asking supporters, they just make excuses in the main.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #200 on: April 08, 2020, 07:33:28 PM »
There is literally no evidence that Sheila committed the murders but many individuals are convinced she did it.  Is it possible to murder 4 people, then kill yourself and not to leave a single piece of forensic evidence linking you to the deaths?  Someone who intended to evade detection may very well take steps to ensure no incriminating evidence is left at the scene but there would have been no need for Sheila to cover it up as she killed herself.

If exhibits hadn't been destroyed against all protocols then its quite possible modern forensic techniques could conclude the case.  For example fingerprints on casings and SC's nightdress subjected to DNA analysis.

Blood stain analysis and a shooting reconstruction are all to play for and might assist.

Other tests will almost certainly undermine the prosecution case to the extent it will resuly in JB's conviction being quashed.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Caroline

Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #201 on: April 08, 2020, 07:37:12 PM »
If exhibits hadn't been destroyed against all protocols then its quite possible modern forensic techniques could conclude the case.  For example fingerprints on casings and SC's nightdress subjected to DNA analysis.

Blood stain analysis and a shooting reconstruction are all to play for and might assist.

Other tests will almost certainly undermine the prosecution case to the extent it will resuly in JB's conviction being quashed.

This proves that that the tests are proposed with the express purpose of finding  a specific outcome, in which case they biased and scientific.

Offline APRIL

Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #202 on: April 08, 2020, 07:38:56 PM »
If exhibits hadn't been destroyed against all protocols then its quite possible modern forensic techniques could conclude the case.  For example fingerprints on casings and SC's nightdress subjected to DNA analysis.

Blood stain analysis and a shooting reconstruction are all to play for and might assist.

Other tests will almost certainly undermine the prosecution case to the extent it will resuly in JB's conviction being quashed.

"All to play for"! It's a phrase you use repeatedly. You make it sound like a game you're determined to win.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #203 on: April 08, 2020, 07:40:54 PM »
This proves that that the tests are proposed with the express purpose of finding  a specific outcome, in which case they biased and scientific.

I think CCRC, CoA and CPS will decide that.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Caroline

Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #204 on: April 08, 2020, 07:45:18 PM »
I think CCRC, CoA and CPS will decide that.

You have basically just said you know what the outcome of a test will be prior to the results? I thought you did a psychology degree? Studies can't be biased and it's the same in the scientific world.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #205 on: April 08, 2020, 07:53:44 PM »
You have basically just said you know what the outcome of a test will be prior to the results? I thought you did a psychology degree? Studies can't be biased and it's the same in the scientific world.

I said almost certainly.  There are two tests that are black and white.  The outcomes will either show that what was tested is possible, which will not undermine the prosecution case, or that it is not possible which will completely undermine the prosecution case. 

There are no ifs, buts, ambiguity or opinion.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #206 on: April 08, 2020, 07:55:54 PM »

Not sure there is any forensic evidence linking Jeremy to the crimes either, but back to Sheila. No, I admit I don't know of any evidence, but then, Sheila, having died, would never have been charged or put on trial, so would anyone have heard of any, other than that she was a victim of a very serious mental illness, and the whole business was an extreme tragedy?


Some (not on this forum) have said there was a suicide note, either lost or withheld. Some have said there was movement inside the farmhouse, and that it must have been Sheila. Some have said Sheila must have died a lot later than the others, as she was still bleeding/lack of livor mortis. I'm not saying any of this is true, as I really have no idea.  Contrary to what somebody has just posted above, I am NOT a staunch supporter!!!


All those “some have said” people are the brainwashed campaigners desperate to spread LIES.

There was NO movement inside the house

Sheila was NOT bleeding when she was found

Sheila DID have liver mortis


But listen, the question is: What Evidence is there of Sheila’s Guilt?

The post has been up a long time, and not ONE person has produced any
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #207 on: April 08, 2020, 08:00:25 PM »
The toxicology tests undertaken by forensic scientist, Alexander Allan, are key to understanding the level of Haloperidol in SC's system at tod not CC.

I read them.

And I understood them.

I also read what Colin said.

Are you accusing Colin of lying? Or are you accusing him of being wrong — when he’d know FAR more that you do, Holly?

Going by what Colin said the pathologist told him, it suggests that the levels inside her blood were high given that her dosage had been reduced. I’d have thought that obvious....

Further, the amount was indeed too high for her, as she could barely function!
Seeking Justice for June & Nevill Bamber, Sheila Caffell & her two six-year-old twin boys who were shot dead in their heads by Psychopath, JEREMY BAMBER who must NEVER be released.

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #208 on: April 08, 2020, 08:03:19 PM »
So there is no forensic evidence directly linking Sheila to any of her alleged victims.  What else?  What other evidence proves that it was Sheila that committed the crimes?


Nope, there’s none.

But there’s lots and lots of compelling evidence it wasn’t her!
Seeking Justice for June & Nevill Bamber, Sheila Caffell & her two six-year-old twin boys who were shot dead in their heads by Psychopath, JEREMY BAMBER who must NEVER be released.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« Reply #209 on: April 08, 2020, 08:13:17 PM »
I read them.

And I understood them.

I also read what Colin said.

Are you accusing Colin of lying? Or are you accusing him of being wrong — when he’d know FAR more that you do, Holly?

Going by what Colin said the pathologist told him, it suggests that the levels inside her blood were high given that her dosage had been reduced. I’d have thought that obvious....

Further, the amount was indeed too high for her, as she could barely function!

There's no evidence CC ever met with the pathologist Dr Vanezis.  I believe he did speak with SC's psychiatrist and discuss her medication but the appropriate person to determine toxicology was chemist Alexander Allan not SC's psychiatrist Dr Ferguson.

I don't believe anyone claimed at trial SC was over sedated etc.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?