Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?

[Holly Goodhead]

I suggest you look it up then.  I hope you’re not suggesting that those of us who accept that Bamber is guilty are mad?

I referred to the madness of crowds.  I don't see any crowds here.

The book you referred to 'Wisdom of crowds' refers to  problems with individuals making decisions.  I don't see individuals taking important decisions?  People are in leadership positions and positions of influence but in reality decisions are made by groups eg judge/jury, CEO/snr mgt, Prime minister/cabinet etc.

[Holly Goodhead]

I have already answered this but you keep ignoring it. The vet offered to have him rehomed but Bamber told his to just kill him - what was he supposed to do? Allow the vet to at least try and rehome him.

I haven't ignored what you've said Caroline I just disagree.

It is  well documented JB disliked Crispy pre murders.

He understood Crispy's temperament seeing him every working day at the farm and may well have appreciated he wasn't the sort of dog that could be rehomed.  Whatever his reason(s) or even an absence of reason it was his choice and decision.

He did not subject Crispy to any cruelty, pain or suffering.  Nor did he end his life inhumanely; he went to the time, trouble and expense of having him put down at the vets where JM accompanied him.

The relatives were all farmers with their own  farms and none of them came forward to offer Crispy a new home.  No one, except those here, has ever criticised JB for having Crispy put down which is a life choice and perfectly legal like a woman's choice to terminate a foetus. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

I referred to the madness of crowds.  I don't see any crowds here.

The book you referred to 'Wisdom of crowds' refers to  problems with individuals making decisions.  I don't see individuals taking important decisions?  People are in leadership positions and positions of influence but in reality decisions are made by groups eg judge/jury, CEO/snr mgt, Prime minister/cabinet etc.

I wasn’t referring to a book.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom_of_the_crowd

[Vertigo Swirl]

I haven't ignored what you've said Caroline I just disagree.

It is  well documented JB disliked Crispy pre murders.

He understood Crispy's temperament seeing him every working day at the farm and may well have appreciated he wasn't the sort of dog that could be rehomed.  Whatever his reason(s) or even an absence of reason it was his choice and decision.

He did not subject Crispy to any cruelty, pain or suffering.  Nor did he end his life inhumanely; he went to the time, trouble and expense of having him put down at the vets where JM accompanied him.

The relatives were all farmers with their own  farms and none of them came forward to offer Crispy a new home.  No one, except those here, has ever criticised JB for having Crispy put down which is a life choice and perfectly legal like a woman's choice to terminate a foetus.

You cannot be serious.  How many hours did Jeremy Bamber spend trying to find a new home for the dog?  I can’t believe only a handful of people in the world find his decision to kill his mother’s pet dog within 24 hours of her own murder deeply distasteful at best and down right evil at worst.

[Holly Goodhead]

I wasn’t referring to a book.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom_of_the_crowd

I know that's what I said.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I know that's what I said.

You said I referred to the book “The Wisdom of Crowds”, I did not.  Please check the link I posted.

[Holly Goodhead]

You cannot be serious.  How many hours did Jeremy Bamber spend trying to find a new home for the dog?  I can’t believe only a handful of people in the world find his decision to kill his mother’s pet dog within 24 hours of her own murder deeply distasteful at best and down right evil at worst.

I don't think its remotely relevant who Crispy belonged to and to such otherwise is imo melo-dramatic.

I've never heard or read anyone objecting to it other than those who've commented here.

Why was Jasper rehomed but not Crispy?

[Holly Goodhead]

You said I referred to the book “The Wisdom of Crowds”, I did not.  Please check the link I posted.

Same thing. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

I don't think its remotely relevant who Crispy belonged to and to such otherwise is imo melo-dramatic.

I've never heard or read anyone objecting to it other than those who've commented here.

Why was Jasper rehomed but not Crispy?

You obviously just don’t get it and no matter what I write you still won’t get it.  If you think it’s perfectly unremarkable to have your mother’s beloved pet killed the very next day after she herself is murdered then you are beyond reason IMO. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

So I wasn’t the only one shocked by the dead dog revelation

https://www.standard.co.uk/stayingin/tvfilm/white-house-farm-bamber-dog-put-down-a4335726.html

[Holly Goodhead]

So I wasn’t the only one shocked by the dead dog revelation

https://www.standard.co.uk/stayingin/tvfilm/white-house-farm-bamber-dog-put-down-a4335726.html

Nothing about the boys then just a temperamental dog? 

[Holly Goodhead]

You obviously just don’t get it and no matter what I write you still won’t get it.  If you think it’s perfectly unremarkable to have your mother’s beloved pet killed the very next day after she herself is murdered then you are beyond reason IMO.

It was June's beloved pet not JB's who detested Crispy.

[Caroline]

It was June's beloved pet not JB's who detested Crispy.

So that's OK then?

[Caroline]

You cannot be serious.  How many hours did Jeremy Bamber spend trying to find a new home for the dog?  I can’t believe only a handful of people in the world find his decision to kill his mother’s pet dog within 24 hours of her own murder deeply distasteful at best and down right evil at worst.

Some people just fire fight - they know there is no excuse for such callousness but to admit it wouldn't do their position any good.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Some people just fire fight - they know there is no excuse for such callousness but to admit it wouldn't do their position any good.

Strangely earlier in the year on another thread Holly lamented JB’s lack of empathy towards Crispy - her heart seems to have hardened somewhat since then.