Sheila’s Nightdress

[Nicholas]

Did she?  I thought she came to believe MM murdered JB's family on his behalf?

This is absolute nonsense

If she came to believe this why would she go onto be the main prosecution witness at his murder trial ? 

[mrswah]

This is absolute nonsense

If she came to believe this why would she go onto be the main prosecution witness at his murder trial ? 

Why not?  Presumably, she believed that whether JB had got MM to do the murders, or whether he did them himself, he was still guilty.

[APRIL]

Did she?  I thought she came to believe MM murdered JB's family on his behalf?

It may have run something like this:- JB voices to JM, his plans for being rid of his family. When the family is killed, JM must have had her suspicions in order for her to ask JB if her was responsible. It's possible JB had a momentary 'wobble' and told her he'd hired MM which may have satisfied her temporarily, until it dawned on her that he'd lied. It may have been only when she was able to take a step back that it became clear?

[Nicholas]

Why not?  Presumably, she believed that whether JB had got MM to do the murders, or whether he did them himself, he was still guilty.

MM provided a strong albi, proving he was not anywhere near White House Farm when the murders took place

[mrswah]

MM provided a strong albi, proving he was not anywhere near White House Farm when the murders took place

Sure, but Julie didn't know that.

[Caroline]

Sure, but Julie didn't know that.

As I have previously stated, she came to realise that Jeremy was responsible and not MM.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Sure, but Julie didn't know that.

It’s very simple

JB lied to Julie and made out he’d hired MM as his hitman

You know that, surely?

So when JB told Julie MM was worried because one of his gloves slipped off when he was violently attacking a Nevill, he was actually talking about HIMSELF. But he couldn’t say that to Julie, could he?

Julie knew for a fact that MM hadn’t carried out the murders soon after going to the police, because when she told them JB had said he’d hired MM to kill them all, the police immediately arrested him. MM had a cast iron alibi which the police verified that SAME day, and released MM straight away as they knew he’d nothing to do with it.

So Julie was aware in the early days of the arrests that Jeremy had lied to her about hiring a hitman.

It’s soooo easy to understand.

[Common sense]

A woman scorned is just as likely to give up the secrets she has been carrying as to make up a maliscious lie.

Sure, JM had a motive to bury JB but what did she have against MM? What if he hadn't had alibi?

It seems to me far more likely that she only named MM because that's what JB told her while feeding her a lot of other misinformation in the process.

[Nicholas]

A woman scorned is just as likely to give up the secrets she has been carrying as to make up a maliscious lie.

Sure, JM had a motive to bury JB but what did she have against MM? What if he hadn't had alibi?

It seems to me far more likely that she only named MM because that's what JB told her while feeding her a lot of other misinformation in the process.

And same applies to a ‘man scorned’ in fact;

2006 - “THEY say "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned", but now scientists aren't so sure.
For while tales abound of women who when wronged send husbands' suits to charity shops or sow their carpets with cress seeds, new evidence shows that when it comes to revenge, it's men you should watch out for.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/hell-really-hath-no-fury-2358883

[Common sense]

And same applies to a ‘man scorned’ in fact;

2006 - “THEY say "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned", but now scientists aren't so sure.
For while tales abound of women who when wronged send husbands' suits to charity shops or sow their carpets with cress seeds, new evidence shows that when it comes to revenge, it's men you should watch out for.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/hell-really-hath-no-fury-2358883

Quite right Nicholas, I didn't mean to sound misogynistic and hope that I didn't.  The most horrific stories of post relationship revenge more usually involve men, with murder frequently being the ultimate act of scorn and control. 

It's funny how there is no corresponding well worn phrase regarding men. "Hell hath no fury like a man scorned" has never been said by anyone, ever, but is probably more true when it comes to serious and violent revenge.

[Nicholas]

Quite right Nicholas, I didn't mean to sound misogynistic and hope that I didn't.  The most horrific stories of post relationship revenge more usually involve men, with murder frequently being the ultimate act of scorn and control. 

It's funny how there is no corresponding well worn phrase regarding men. "Hell hath no fury like a man scorned" has never been said by anyone, ever, but is probably more true when it comes to serious and violent revenge.

There is, here https://www.theguardian.com/science/2006/jan/19/research.highereducation in a Guardian header

”Hell hath no fury like a man scorned”

“The Germans call it schadenfreude - gaining pleasure from someone else's pain - and according to neuroscientists men enjoy it much more than women.

[Common sense]

There is, here https://www.theguardian.com/science/2006/jan/19/research.highereducation in a Guardian header

”Hell hath no fury like a man scorned”

“The Germans call it schadenfreude - gaining pleasure from someone else's pain - and according to neuroscientists men enjoy it much more than women.

I'm not sure if how it was depicted in the ITV drama is accurate or not, but maybe Bamber enjoyed upsetting Ann Eaton by having Crispy put down.

[G-Unit]

I'm not sure if how it was depicted in the ITV drama is accurate or not, but maybe Bamber enjoyed upsetting Ann Eaton by having Crispy put down.

She never mentioned being upset. Perhaps it was artistic licence?

[Common sense]

She never mentioned being upset. Perhaps it was artistic licence?

Maybe he enjoyed the thought of his mother being upset.

[G-Unit]

Maybe he enjoyed the thought of his mother being upset.

She wasn't his mother.