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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Nevill was first shot as he exited his bedroom.
« Reply #75 on: April 17, 2020, 08:15:36 PM »
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You have taken a sentence from Caroline's post in an attempt to cause trouble.  Please stop.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Nevill was first shot as he exited his bedroom.
« Reply #77 on: April 17, 2020, 08:26:39 PM »
. You say Nevill dropped the phone (which contradicts JB’s evidence that in his view someone deliberately cut the call) so if he was on the phone to JB and didn’t hang up how was Jeremy able to call out to speak to JM?
Bump.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Holly Goodhead

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Nevill was first shot as he exited his bedroom.
« Reply #79 on: April 17, 2020, 08:37:36 PM »
Bump.

I don't think it's JB's evidence as such just his idea of what may have happened similar our views here.

A tel eng was called at trial:

68.  There was no evidence of telephone billing information of the sort which would be available these days. There was, however, expert evidence called as to the effect of a telephone call having been made from White House Farm to Goldhanger which was then abandoned by the caller with the receiver being left off the cradle, as claimed by the appellant. If such a sequence had occurred, the telephone link would have remained open either until the handset at White House Farm was replaced or until the handset at Goldhanger had been replaced and left in position for a period which could vary from 1 to 2 minutes, when an automatic interruption of the link would take place. Until one or other of these events, the appellant would have been unable to make any call from the Goldhanger telephone.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Brietta

Re: Nevill was first shot as he exited his bedroom.
« Reply #80 on: April 17, 2020, 08:49:46 PM »
No.  June sustained 7 entry gsw's, 3 exit wounds and 1 non-penetrative gsw.

90. Dr Bradley, another Consultant Psychiatrist, was also called by the defence during the trial to give general evidence of the features of "altruistic" killings and to confirm that it was not unusual that a female murderer should not have a history of previous violence. He also gave evidence that where parents kill children there may be an element of "over-kill" or the infliction of excessive violence.

I shall amend my post to suit.

What does a 'non- penetrative' gunshot wound look like?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Nevill was first shot as he exited his bedroom.
« Reply #81 on: April 17, 2020, 08:56:50 PM »
I shall amend my post to suit.

What does a 'non- penetrative' gunshot wound look like?

Please refer to A in the following:
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Nevill was first shot as he exited his bedroom.
« Reply #82 on: April 17, 2020, 09:01:31 PM »
I don't think it's JB's evidence as such just his idea of what may have happened similar our views here.

A tel eng was called at trial:

68.  There was no evidence of telephone billing information of the sort which would be available these days. There was, however, expert evidence called as to the effect of a telephone call having been made from White House Farm to Goldhanger which was then abandoned by the caller with the receiver being left off the cradle, as claimed by the appellant. If such a sequence had occurred, the telephone link would have remained open either until the handset at White House Farm was replaced or until the handset at Goldhanger had been replaced and left in position for a period which could vary from 1 to 2 minutes, when an automatic interruption of the link would take place. Until one or other of these events, the appellant would have been unable to make any call from the Goldhanger telephone.
What did Jeremy say he did immediately after receiving the call from Nevill?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Caroline

Re: Nevill was first shot as he exited his bedroom.
« Reply #83 on: April 17, 2020, 09:04:57 PM »
What did Jeremy say he did immediately after receiving the call from Nevill?

Tried to call him back

Offline Brietta

Re: Nevill was first shot as he exited his bedroom.
« Reply #84 on: April 17, 2020, 09:23:12 PM »
No.  June sustained 7 entry gsw's, 3 exit wounds and 1 non-penetrative gsw.

90. Dr Bradley, another Consultant Psychiatrist, was also called by the defence during the trial to give general evidence of the features of "altruistic" killings and to confirm that it was not unusual that a female murderer should not have a history of previous violence. He also gave evidence that where parents kill children there may be an element of "over-kill" or the infliction of excessive violence.

And from the Psychiatrist who had treated and knew Sheila intimately we have the very firm assertion that he did not recognise her capability of doing what Jeremy had tried to pin on her nor had she ever shown any signs of violence at any time.

88. When told on 8 August 1985 that Sheila Caffell had killed her parents and children and then herself, Dr Ferguson said this did not fit "his concept" of his patient. He did not feel she was someone who would actually be violent to her children or towards her father, although she was a highly disturbed woman and had expressed disturbed feelings towards her mother.
89. In cross-examination Dr Ferguson agreed that Mrs Caffell's condition was well known to her family. There had never been manifestations of violence either when her illness was being managed or when in a highly disturbed state in hospital. In the context of what was alleged to have occurred Dr Ferguson found it possible to conceive of Sheila Caffell wanting to harm her mother or herself but "difficult to conceptualise her harming her children or her father". He had always felt Sheila loved and cared for her children and saw her father as a very secure, caring and strong support in her life.

http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html

"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Nevill was first shot as he exited his bedroom.
« Reply #85 on: April 17, 2020, 09:56:17 PM »
Please refer to A in the following:

Thank you.  But actually I found B-C-D-E-F-G-H informative and of far more interest for me would be where it continues over the page to I - J etc and onwards to the conclusion.

Do you have the link?  Thank you.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Nevill was first shot as he exited his bedroom.
« Reply #86 on: April 17, 2020, 09:57:16 PM »
And from the Psychiatrist who had treated and knew Sheila intimately we have the very firm assertion that he did not recognise her capability of doing what Jeremy had tried to pin on her nor had she ever shown any signs of violence at any time.

88. When told on 8 August 1985 that Sheila Caffell had killed her parents and children and then herself, Dr Ferguson said this did not fit "his concept" of his patient. He did not feel she was someone who would actually be violent to her children or towards her father, although she was a highly disturbed woman and had expressed disturbed feelings towards her mother.
89. In cross-examination Dr Ferguson agreed that Mrs Caffell's condition was well known to her family. There had never been manifestations of violence either when her illness was being managed or when in a highly disturbed state in hospital. In the context of what was alleged to have occurred Dr Ferguson found it possible to conceive of Sheila Caffell wanting to harm her mother or herself but "difficult to conceptualise her harming her children or her father". He had always felt Sheila loved and cared for her children and saw her father as a very secure, caring and strong support in her life.

http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html

374. However, Mr Turner sought permission to call before us further psychiatric evidence, primarily from Dr Ferguson. In the statement tendered to this court in support of this application Dr Ferguson suggests that if he had been aware of the letter from Colin Caffell with the possible scenario that he might take over full time care of the children from Sheila coupled with the possibility that Nevill Bamber might have pleaded Colin Caffell's case, he would have suggested that this could have had a potentially catastrophic effect on Sheila Caffell. This would have been partly because she would have been resistant to the suggestion of having her children removed from her care and partly because it might have transformed her image of her father from a support and mentor into that of a hostile figure.

375. However, it is clear that Dr Ferguson had already dealt with a broadly similar scenario in his evidence in chief. The evidence runs:

"Q. Having regard to your knowledge of Sheila, do you follow, how would you have expected her to have reacted to a suggestion that the children should be removed from her care?

A. I would have expected her, were this to be put to her suddenly, to be a very substantial threat and I would have expected her to react very strongly to what to her would be the loss of her children. I would not have expected her to be passive about that. "

376. He went on to say he had no way of knowing what form a strong reaction would take, whether it would be to become more psychotic, or more helpless or angry. He took the view that it would however be a very strong threat. He was asked by the trial judge what her likely response would have been to the prospect of daytime foster parenting. The Doctor replied that he did not think that she would have interpreted that as losing her children, and indeed she acknowledged considerable help in that regard.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Nevill was first shot as he exited his bedroom.
« Reply #87 on: April 17, 2020, 09:59:06 PM »
Thank you.  But actually I found B-C-D-E-F-G-H informative and of far more interest for me would be where it continues over the page to I - J etc and onwards to the conclusion.

Do you have the link?  Thank you.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11403.msg584132#msg584132
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Brietta

"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Nevill was first shot as he exited his bedroom.
« Reply #89 on: April 17, 2020, 10:27:37 PM »
Tried to call him back
If the phone had been dangling he would have got straight through when he tried to call him back and would have heard noises within the house.  I wonder why he did not mention this in his statement. 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".