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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Dr Vanezis Trial Testimony
« Reply #135 on: April 26, 2020, 08:03:13 PM »
Holly seems to think the CCRC will pay for reconstructions once the privately funded forensic analysis persuades them the conviction is unsafe. I won't be holding my breath.



She’s been saying all this since 2014...and still hasn’t got anywhere.

She can’t back up any of her claims, and much of what she says doesn’t fit.  She claims she hasn’t received a letter from Jeremy Bamber in two years, yet she spends every waking moment discussing him on here...anyone who thinks THAT’S normal needs their bumps read too.
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Dr Vanezis Trial Testimony
« Reply #136 on: April 26, 2020, 08:10:33 PM »
Dr V was specifically asked by the trial judge to clarify this inconsistency between his notes and trial testimony.  When he carried out the pm the blood staining was restricted to SC's wrist and a mid-finger and he confirmed SC's palms were not contaminated with blood.

The washing referred to took place during pm.

End of unless you want to go down the road that he perjured himself?

If the nightdress hadn't been destroyed against all protocols it could be tested by way of blood staining analysis and DNA.

NB and June's hands were heavily blood stained.


Holly, what don’t you grasp about the FACT that a Sheila’s nightdress was NOT destroyed before the trial?!

Sheila’s nightdress was forensically examined with a fine tooth comb AFTER Jeremy Bamber was arrested.

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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Dr Vanezis Trial Testimony
« Reply #137 on: April 26, 2020, 08:16:00 PM »
Certainly!

It's difficult to read but he states that "palm print on nightdress matches bloodstains, appear to have been transferred from R hand" and later "both hands not contaminated apart from bloodstains"

And this from CAL after a recent interview with the man himself;

Asked to address the discrepancy today, Vanezis muses: ‘I’m not sure whether I said that after the blood had been washed from her hands.’ Regarding his courtroom statement about the stain on her nightdress, he reflects: ‘The smear in the blood on her neck wounds is obviously from putting her hand up to it. Her fingers could then have made the marks on her nightdress because there are three streaks forming the stain – two together and one slightly apart. The marks could be from her wrist, but the thickness of them definitely resembles fingers and she certainly has some blood on the side of her hand. There’s also a line through the streaks where the material has folded, giving a slightly distorted pattern.’ The blood trails evident on Sheila’s lower right arm, together with substantial blood staining on the right side of the nightdress in the armpit area and below, reinforced the probability that she had raised her hand to her neck.

Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (pp. 194-195). Pan Macmillan. Kindle Edition.

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Bumping for Holly...

Thank you, Caroline
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Dr Vanezis Trial Testimony
« Reply #138 on: April 26, 2020, 08:20:56 PM »
Which "unknown facts" would these be and how would they have made a material difference?

For example, the CT forever bleat on about the jury not being told the proper facts of the inheritance but they were. It was in an agreed note referred to by CoA.

What they weren't told is that NB secretly owned some of the Eatons land and Bamber intended to sell it and live the playboy lifestyle down under - the reason they weren't told was because only Bamber knew this and he kept quiet instead of telling the court himself.



That’s even more ammunition for the prosecution, CS. Great point you’ve brought up!

Just WHY didn’t Jeremy Bamber mention this secret land deal in court — which he would have definitely known about?!

Of course, we know why....

He didn’t want the jury to know he had even MORE reason to kill everyone.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Dr Vanezis Trial Testimony
« Reply #139 on: April 26, 2020, 08:34:28 PM »


That’s even more ammunition for the prosecution, CS. Great point you’ve brought up!

Just WHY didn’t Jeremy Bamber mention this secret land deal in court — which he would have definitely known about?!

Of course, we know why....

He didn’t want the jury to know he had even MORE reason to kill everyone.

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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Dr Vanezis Trial Testimony
« Reply #140 on: April 26, 2020, 08:43:10 PM »
So why do you think Mark Newby has decided to represent him and advance yet more nonsense? as I see it


Money for nothing, basically. And he’s hardly a Michael Mansfield QC is he? He’s just a small time solicitor from Derby — is it? He probably enjoys getting involved in a case that’s not quite as tedious and dull as representing someone who’s complained about a visiting order not being sent out on time, or whatever other trivial rubbish they take issue with

He knows he’s onto a loser, but he’s prepared to deliver rubbish to the court so he can stuff the money into his bank, enjoy it on a nice cruise or whatever his thing is while JB starts a new attempt for an appeal with another goofy solicitor.

Actually, I don’t know why JB doesn’t represent himself? He’s had 30 years reading up about his own case; and as he insists he’s innocent he would have the confidence to represent himself in court.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Dr Vanezis Trial Testimony
« Reply #141 on: April 26, 2020, 08:55:19 PM »
It hasn't - he has completely changed the times of the phone calls for one thing!

So Mark Newby has been disingenuous or is he outright lying?
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Offline Common sense

Re: Dr Vanezis Trial Testimony
« Reply #142 on: April 26, 2020, 11:10:28 PM »
So Mark Newby has been disingenuous or is he outright lying?

You've quoted him elsewhere recently ...something along the lines of .."the new evidence may show the chain of events" - He seems to be very circumspect in all of his statements about Bamber, never mentioning the word "innocent"

If you take the broad Bamber story, that he has always protested his innocence, that NB called him, that JM is a liar  and that Sheila did it then it hasn't changed.

MN can hardly say "he's as guilty as hell" - he would be cast out of the MOJ club and have to find other work.


Offline Nicholas

Re: Dr Vanezis Trial Testimony
« Reply #143 on: April 26, 2020, 11:52:06 PM »
You've quoted him elsewhere recently ...something along the lines of .."the new evidence may show the chain of events" - He seems to be very circumspect in all of his statements about Bamber, never mentioning the word "innocent"

If you take the broad Bamber story, that he has always protested his innocence, that NB called him, that JM is a liar  and that Sheila did it then it hasn't changed.

MN can hardly say "he's as guilty as hell" - he would be cast out of the MOJ club and have to find other work.

Mark Newby has claimed, ‘I can’t say anything other than it was Sheila’

By Matthew Young
“JEREMY Bamber claims he has new evidence proving he could not have massacred his family in 1985.
The killer alleges he was with police outside the Essex farmhouse murder scene and that they believed someone was alive inside – possibly with a gun.
Bamber, 59, who is serving life, claimed: “It is the ultimate alibi.”
JEREMY Bamber has spoken from his prison cell to again insist he did not murder his family in a farmyard bloodbath 35 years ago.
And the convicted killer claims new evidence shows there was still life inside the house while he was outside speaking to dozens of police – which he hopes will clear his name.
His lawyers say officers did not enter White House Farm, where his 61-year-old parents Nevill and June, sister Sheila Caffell, 26, and her twin sons Nicholas and Daniel, six, were butchered, for nearly four hours after arriving, amid fears someone was alive inside, possibly with a gun.
Speaking from his cell in Wakefield, West Yorks, Bamber said: “It is the ultimate alibi that I was in the company of dozens of police officers when it was clear that a person or persons were alive in the house who I am convicted of murdering.”
He claims schizophrenic Sheila murdered her sons and parents.
But author Carol Ann Lee, who exchanged regular letters with Bamber for her book Murders at White House Farm, insisted she has no doubts about his guilt.
She said the overriding piece of
JEREMY Bamber’s lawyer Mark Newby wants prosecutors to disclose evidence he claims would undermine the conviction.
He has issued judicial review proceedings against the CPS, alleging it refused to release documents, as ordered by courts.
It is also claimed Essex Police was told three times to disclose relevant material, but has failed to.
evidence was a gruesome crime scene photograph, which has never been published, which showed the murders were committed by somebody “extremely adept with a gun”.
Ms Lee added: “Sheila didn’t, she was also on medication for her illness, which made her uncoordinated.”
Bamber’s girlfriend Julie Mugford also told police he planned the slaughter in a bid to get his hands on the family inheritance and had phoned her, saying: “Tonight’s the night.”
The fresh claims from Bamber’s legal team come as the 1985 DRAMA Freddie Fox murders are being portrayed in the ITV drama White House Farm, starring Freddie Fox as the mass killer.
They will form part of an appeal bid in a submission to the Criminal Cases Review Commission.
Bamber’s lawyer Mark Newby claims the new evidence is “strong”.
Detectives maintained everyone in the farmhouse at Tolleshunt D’Arcy, Essex, was dead by around 3.30am.
Bamber, who lived in nearby Goldhanger, met officers at the scene at 3.50am. He stayed with them until he was taken away at 9am.
But his legal team now say a rifle was spotted in an upstairs window by two separate gun police at around 7am, meaning someone in there was alive. Bamber’s lawyers said also in the new evidence are logs showing a firearms team as being “in conversation with a person from inside the farm” at 5.25am. And that a 999 call was made from inside at 6.09am. Documents seen by the Mirror show a BT operator connected police to an open line at the farm at 05.50am, meaning the handset must have been put back on to make the 6.09am call.
When officers eventually broke into the home they heard a noise upstairs, believing it may have been a person.
On inspection, everyone was dead. But Bamber’s team claim the noise could have been Sheila killing herself.
The gun was found on her body. Ballistics expert Bruce Jones claimed the .22 rifle would not have been loud enough for police to “associate its noise with a shot”. Other evidence shows windows may have been opened after 3.30am and lights turned off between 4am and 5am.
Mr Newby said: “I haven’t received evidence that contradicts it, I can’t say anything other than it was Sheila. Things shouldn’t have happened at those times if it was Jeremy.”
Bamber, who was 24 at the time and later jailed for life, criticised Fox’s portrayal of him, claiming “it is nothing like me”, and he was able to “make things up for dramatic effect”.
He said: “I am concerned ITV are now cashing in on the tragedy.” ITV insisted it did “meticulous research”.
Essex Police said appeals have “not found anything to suggest Bamber was wrongly convicted
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mirror/20200121/282978221960529
« Last Edit: April 27, 2020, 12:00:12 AM by Nicholas »
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Dr Vanezis Trial Testimony
« Reply #144 on: April 27, 2020, 01:57:00 AM »

Mark Newby has claimed, ‘I can’t say anything other than it was Sheila’

By Matthew Young
“JEREMY Bamber claims he has new evidence proving he could not have massacred his family in 1985.
The killer alleges he was with police outside the Essex farmhouse murder scene and that they believed someone was alive inside – possibly with a gun.
Bamber, 59, who is serving life, claimed: “It is the ultimate alibi.”
JEREMY Bamber has spoken from his prison cell to again insist he did not murder his family in a farmyard bloodbath 35 years ago.
And the convicted killer claims new evidence shows there was still life inside the house while he was outside speaking to dozens of police – which he hopes will clear his name.
His lawyers say officers did not enter White House Farm, where his 61-year-old parents Nevill and June, sister Sheila Caffell, 26, and her twin sons Nicholas and Daniel, six, were butchered, for nearly four hours after arriving, amid fears someone was alive inside, possibly with a gun.
Speaking from his cell in Wakefield, West Yorks, Bamber said: “It is the ultimate alibi that I was in the company of dozens of police officers when it was clear that a person or persons were alive in the house who I am convicted of murdering.”
He claims schizophrenic Sheila murdered her sons and parents.
But author Carol Ann Lee, who exchanged regular letters with Bamber for her book Murders at White House Farm, insisted she has no doubts about his guilt.
She said the overriding piece of
JEREMY Bamber’s lawyer Mark Newby wants prosecutors to disclose evidence he claims would undermine the conviction.
He has issued judicial review proceedings against the CPS, alleging it refused to release documents, as ordered by courts.
It is also claimed Essex Police was told three times to disclose relevant material, but has failed to.
evidence was a gruesome crime scene photograph, which has never been published, which showed the murders were committed by somebody “extremely adept with a gun”.
Ms Lee added: “Sheila didn’t, she was also on medication for her illness, which made her uncoordinated.”
Bamber’s girlfriend Julie Mugford also told police he planned the slaughter in a bid to get his hands on the family inheritance and had phoned her, saying: “Tonight’s the night.”
The fresh claims from Bamber’s legal team come as the 1985 DRAMA Freddie Fox murders are being portrayed in the ITV drama White House Farm, starring Freddie Fox as the mass killer.
They will form part of an appeal bid in a submission to the Criminal Cases Review Commission.
Bamber’s lawyer Mark Newby claims the new evidence is “strong”.
Detectives maintained everyone in the farmhouse at Tolleshunt D’Arcy, Essex, was dead by around 3.30am.
Bamber, who lived in nearby Goldhanger, met officers at the scene at 3.50am. He stayed with them until he was taken away at 9am.
But his legal team now say a rifle was spotted in an upstairs window by two separate gun police at around 7am, meaning someone in there was alive. Bamber’s lawyers said also in the new evidence are logs showing a firearms team as being “in conversation with a person from inside the farm” at 5.25am. And that a 999 call was made from inside at 6.09am. Documents seen by the Mirror show a BT operator connected police to an open line at the farm at 05.50am, meaning the handset must have been put back on to make the 6.09am call.
When officers eventually broke into the home they heard a noise upstairs, believing it may have been a person.
On inspection, everyone was dead. But Bamber’s team claim the noise could have been Sheila killing herself.
The gun was found on her body. Ballistics expert Bruce Jones claimed the .22 rifle would not have been loud enough for police to “associate its noise with a shot”. Other evidence shows windows may have been opened after 3.30am and lights turned off between 4am and 5am.
Mr Newby said: “I haven’t received evidence that contradicts it, I can’t say anything other than it was Sheila. Things shouldn’t have happened at those times if it was Jeremy.”
Bamber, who was 24 at the time and later jailed for life, criticised Fox’s portrayal of him, claiming “it is nothing like me”, and he was able to “make things up for dramatic effect”.
He said: “I am concerned ITV are now cashing in on the tragedy.” ITV insisted it did “meticulous research”.
Essex Police said appeals have “not found anything to suggest Bamber was wrongly convicted
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mirror/20200121/282978221960529



None of this is “fresh news” at all

Bamber’s been bleating on about these tired old excuses for donkeys years:

“His ultimate alibi” which he used in first trial didn’t wash...we all know he planned to meet the police outside AFTER he’d killed his family. Hardly an ultimate alibi.

“Police in conversation with someone in the farm”...yes, the police operator meant HIM, Jeremy Bamber. And to say the phone must have been put down at some stage to make a call, Jeremy Bamber admitted the line cut off when he made out Nevill phoned him. What Jeremy DIDN’T say was the truth: that it was he who phoned his home number and then cut it off to clear the line.


“The rifle propped by the window”...it wasn’t seen by any police at 7am. It was placed there AFTER the police removed it from Sheila’s dead body. Pathological evidence proves Sheila had liver mortis, and photos in situ prove that. Sheila had been dead since at least 3am and only ONE gun was found upstairs. All Nevill’s other guns were found in the gun cupboard downstairs where he kept them at all times.



“The noise upstairs “ ....that was Crispy. The same dog Bamber suggested shot Sheila the second time. For Bamber’s team to suggest the noise may have been a gunshot without a silencer — and these were experienced firearms officers — is embarrassing. Gunshots don’t sound like creaking floorboards where a little dog is circling in panic underneath a bed. The ballistics “expert” they’ve raked up, Bruce Jones, could maybe answer why marksmen are warned to wear large industrial strength ear protectors when firing .22 rifles....some people have been known to suffer deafness and permanent tinnitus by not protecting their ears. So to say you’d not hear a gunshot is risible.

No 999 call was made from inside the house at 6:09am. All 999 calls are recorded and none were made, or logged. The only log was the police operator relaying to other officers times when police asked the GPO specific questions whilst listening in. Further, why would anyone call 999 from inside the house when there were over 50 police officers surrounding it; calling out on their loudhailer; and two ambulances there on standby...

No windows were opened and closed at all. None. No lights were turned on and off. The only light seen was coming from the movement of the moon and rising sun reflecting through the windows.

The police have given ALL documents to Jeremy Bamber. Over 4M according to him....and on the night he killed them the police wrongly assumed it was Sheila because he’d lied to them. Despite him telling them Sheila had “gone berserk with a gun” there’s no written evidence at all that they spotted her moving, talking, shouting, screaming, laughing hysterically, singing, nothing. It was all deadly silent. HAD there been any evidence at all that Sheila was alive inside the house Taff Jones would have waved it in the air for everyone to see, especially when he was dragged in weeks later and removed from the case for being inept.

If there is a photograph that’s never been made public, how would Jeremy know about it? But if one does exist and the police decided it was too gruesome to share, the fact a ballistic expert said the shooting was done by someone who was extremely adept with a gun, that rules out Sheila even more, and is even more damning for Jeremy Bamber.


Jeremy ends his claims by saying he’s “concerned” ITV are cashing in on the tragedy. Wrong word, JB: he means he’s JEALOUS. Money has always been his god.

And the reason Mark Newby can’t say anything is that he has nothing TO say. He sounds a drip of a solicitor and will be mocked for evermore when he loses this latest attempt at dragging up boring old claims that were batted out of the last appeal hearing in less than an hour.




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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Dr Vanezis Trial Testimony
« Reply #145 on: April 27, 2020, 02:10:10 AM »
Bamber staged the crime scene and would have had time to wash SC’s hand - if he’d used it to make the ‘palm print’

He could have taken the bucket from downstairs upstairs to wash SC’s hand and then return it to where it originated

There were towels placed near NB - these could also have been used in the ‘clean up’


I’d say most of the blood on Sheila’s hand came off when Jeremy pressed it firmly against the Bible.

It would have left remnants, but wouldn’t have looked heavily bloodstained.

It’s as simple as that, really.
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Dr Vanezis Trial Testimony
« Reply #146 on: April 27, 2020, 02:17:13 AM »
Mark Newby has claimed publicly Bamber’s narrative has remained the same?


Mark Newby hasn’t studied the case notes in that case...whoops!

Jeremy Bamber changed timings and sequences of phone calls that night, changed stories of Sheila’s MH issues, changed stories of her knowledge of guns, changed his story of where he’d left the rifle in the house, oh, he changed so many stories for me to mention right now...and that’s without all the lies he got tripped up on in his statements....

He has a poor memory, does Jem 🥶

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Offline G-Unit

Re: Dr Vanezis Trial Testimony
« Reply #147 on: April 27, 2020, 08:06:23 AM »


None of this is “fresh news” at all

Bamber’s been bleating on about these tired old excuses for donkeys years:

“His ultimate alibi” which he used in first trial didn’t wash...we all know he planned to meet the police outside AFTER he’d killed his family. Hardly an ultimate alibi.

“Police in conversation with someone in the farm”...yes, the police operator meant HIM, Jeremy Bamber. And to say the phone must have been put down at some stage to make a call, Jeremy Bamber admitted the line cut off when he made out Nevill phoned him. What Jeremy DIDN’T say was the truth: that it was he who phoned his home number and then cut it off to clear the line.


“The rifle propped by the window”...it wasn’t seen by any police at 7am. It was placed there AFTER the police removed it from Sheila’s dead body. Pathological evidence proves Sheila had liver mortis, and photos in situ prove that. Sheila had been dead since at least 3am and only ONE gun was found upstairs. All Nevill’s other guns were found in the gun cupboard downstairs where he kept them at all times.



“The noise upstairs “ ....that was Crispy. The same dog Bamber suggested shot Sheila the second time. For Bamber’s team to suggest the noise may have been a gunshot without a silencer — and these were experienced firearms officers — is embarrassing. Gunshots don’t sound like creaking floorboards where a little dog is circling in panic underneath a bed. The ballistics “expert” they’ve raked up, Bruce Jones, could maybe answer why marksmen are warned to wear large industrial strength ear protectors when firing .22 rifles....some people have been known to suffer deafness and permanent tinnitus by not protecting their ears. So to say you’d not hear a gunshot is risible.

No 999 call was made from inside the house at 6:09am. All 999 calls are recorded and none were made, or logged. The only log was the police operator relaying to other officers times when police asked the GPO specific questions whilst listening in. Further, why would anyone call 999 from inside the house when there were over 50 police officers surrounding it; calling out on their loudhailer; and two ambulances there on standby...

No windows were opened and closed at all. None. No lights were turned on and off. The only light seen was coming from the movement of the moon and rising sun reflecting through the windows.

The police have given ALL documents to Jeremy Bamber. Over 4M according to him....and on the night he killed them the police wrongly assumed it was Sheila because he’d lied to them. Despite him telling them Sheila had “gone berserk with a gun” there’s no written evidence at all that they spotted her moving, talking, shouting, screaming, laughing hysterically, singing, nothing. It was all deadly silent. HAD there been any evidence at all that Sheila was alive inside the house Taff Jones would have waved it in the air for everyone to see, especially when he was dragged in weeks later and removed from the case for being inept.

If there is a photograph that’s never been made public, how would Jeremy know about it? But if one does exist and the police decided it was too gruesome to share, the fact a ballistic expert said the shooting was done by someone who was extremely adept with a gun, that rules out Sheila even more, and is even more damning for Jeremy Bamber.


Jeremy ends his claims by saying he’s “concerned” ITV are cashing in on the tragedy. Wrong word, JB: he means he’s JEALOUS. Money has always been his god.

And the reason Mark Newby can’t say anything is that he has nothing TO say. He sounds a drip of a solicitor and will be mocked for evermore when he loses this latest attempt at dragging up boring old claims that were batted out of the last appeal hearing in less than an hour.

Nevill's guns were not found in the gun cupboard; just one shotgun.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Dr Vanezis Trial Testimony
« Reply #148 on: April 27, 2020, 08:26:16 AM »
Certainly!

It's difficult to read but he states that "palm print on nightdress matches bloodstains, appear to have been transferred from R hand" and later "both hands not contaminated apart from bloodstains"

And this from CAL after a recent interview with the man himself;

Asked to address the discrepancy today, Vanezis muses: ‘I’m not sure whether I said that after the blood had been washed from her hands.’ Regarding his courtroom statement about the stain on her nightdress, he reflects: ‘The smear in the blood on her neck wounds is obviously from putting her hand up to it. Her fingers could then have made the marks on her nightdress because there are three streaks forming the stain – two together and one slightly apart. The marks could be from her wrist, but the thickness of them definitely resembles fingers and she certainly has some blood on the side of her hand. There’s also a line through the streaks where the material has folded, giving a slightly distorted pattern.’ The blood trails evident on Sheila’s lower right arm, together with substantial blood staining on the right side of the nightdress in the armpit area and below, reinforced the probability that she had raised her hand to her neck.

Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (pp. 194-195). Pan Macmillan. Kindle Edition.

Thanks Caro

I have translated his hand written notes as follows:

bloodstained palm print on nightdress matches bloodstain appear to have been formed from R hand ?

both hands not contaminated apart from bloodstain


He actually places a question mark in his notes.  I'm not convinced they were finger marks as they are very long and thin and there's also a void which is oblong in shape and has clearly defined lines.

In the pm he refers to the stain originating from SC's wrist.

He makes clear in his notes, post mortem report and trial testimony that SC's hands were not contaminated other than some blood in the wrist area and one finger but he is clear the insides of the fingers and palms were not contaminated.  He is even asked by the judge to clarify the matter and is adamant that the insides of the fingers and palms were not contaminated.

He actually places a question mark in his notes.  I'm not convinced they were finger marks as they are very long and thin and there's also a void which is oblong in shape and has clearly defined lines.

With regard to his contribution to CAL we are only privy to her understanding of what he said.  I wonder if there was some misunderstanding in that he thought June put her own fingers to her neck which Dr V makes clear in his trial testimony.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2020, 08:30:35 AM by Holly Goodhead »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Dr Vanezis Trial Testimony
« Reply #149 on: April 27, 2020, 09:27:08 AM »

Mark Newby hasn’t studied the case notes in that case...whoops!

Jeremy Bamber changed timings and sequences of phone calls that night, changed stories of Sheila’s MH issues, changed stories of her knowledge of guns, changed his story of where he’d left the rifle in the house, oh, he changed so many stories for me to mention right now...and that’s without all the lies he got tripped up on in his statements....

He has a poor memory, does Jem 🥶

Am interested in why Mark Newby is choosing to perpetuate Bambers obvious innocence fraud

Mark Newby has claimed, ‘I can’t say anything other than it was Sheila’
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mirror/20200121/282978221960529
« Last Edit: April 27, 2020, 09:29:18 AM by Nicholas »
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