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Offline Caroline

Re: The phone call
« Reply #60 on: April 27, 2020, 07:13:03 PM »
Photographic proof that SC's head could not have been raised after being shot. Of particular note, is the blood that has trailed upwards to her eye from her moth and nose. This COULD NOT have occurred if her head was partially upright and the blood from the side of her mouth would have ran down her chin. You can't argue with gravity!

Must add - I hate posting these photographs but some people may not have seen it and without it there is no reference to disprove what Holly is claiming. The picture speaks volumes and allows Sheila to have her say!
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The phone call
« Reply #61 on: April 27, 2020, 08:11:58 PM »
Photographic proof that SC's head could not have been raised after being shot. Of particular note, is the blood that has trailed upwards to her eye from her moth and nose. This COULD NOT have occurred if her head was partially upright and the blood from the side of her mouth would have ran down her chin. You can't argue with gravity!

Must add - I hate posting these photographs but some people may not have seen it and without it there is no reference to disprove what Holly is claiming. The picture speaks volumes and allows Sheila to have her say!

It doesn't!  Both pathologists have SC sitting partially upright.  First respondent A/PS Woodcock found SC's head slightly raised against the bedside cabinet.  SC was interfered with after first respondents entered evidenced by soc images showing her head flat to the floor.  Forensic scientist Martyn Ismail gave evidence that following the second gsw SC's head would have fallen back against the bedside cabinet and he went to say she was pulled by her feet and her head fell flat to the floor.  It was the movement of her head that caused dislodged blood pooled in the back of her throat to trail from the sides of her mouth.  Gsw's cause bleeding internally and externally.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Caroline

Re: The phone call
« Reply #62 on: April 27, 2020, 08:29:11 PM »
It doesn't!  Both pathologists have SC sitting partially upright.  First respondent A/PS Woodcock found SC's head slightly raised against the bedside cabinet.  SC was interfered with after first respondents entered evidenced by soc images showing her head flat to the floor.  Forensic scientist Martyn Ismail gave evidence that following the second gsw SC's head would have fallen back against the bedside cabinet and he went to say she was pulled by her feet and her head fell flat to the floor.  It was the movement of her head that caused dislodged blood pooled in the back of her throat to trail from the sides of her mouth.  Gsw's cause bleeding internally and externally.

We have been through this before, Woodcock also described how blood was leaking out of both sides of her moon her face so this was clearly the blood was dried around her mouth so this could NOT have occurred later. Dr Craig described seeing 'a quantity of dried blood which had come from her mouth when he pronounced death. I agree with Ismail - that her feet were pulled, they were pulled by Bamber!

Offline Common sense

Re: The phone call
« Reply #63 on: April 27, 2020, 09:11:32 PM »
It doesn't!  Both pathologists have SC sitting partially upright.  First respondent A/PS Woodcock found SC's head slightly raised against the bedside cabinet.  SC was interfered with after first respondents entered evidenced by soc images showing her head flat to the floor.  Forensic scientist Martyn Ismail gave evidence that following the second gsw SC's head would have fallen back against the bedside cabinet and he went to say she was pulled by her feet and her head fell flat to the floor.  It was the movement of her head that caused dislodged blood pooled in the back of her throat to trail from the sides of her mouth.  Gsw's cause bleeding internally and externally.

I don't think you can put too much store in the single line of a single witness statement of Woodcock corroborating anything Holly.

After all, the surgeon and 5 other officers failed to note the two gunshot wounds properly in theirs.

One officer wrote that Sheila was "on the left hand side of the bed" and a whole scenario was constructed by the Bamberloons where she was actually on the bed. Mike T has even seen the photo but JB got cross with him because it was the only copy and it got lost when he mailed it to the prison ( probably confiscated by MI5 )

The most likely person to have moved her body is Bamber - There is a reason Ismail was called by the prosecution.

Offline G-Unit

Re: The phone call
« Reply #64 on: April 27, 2020, 09:38:57 PM »
I don't think you can put too much store in the single line of a single witness statement of Woodcock corroborating anything Holly.

After all, the surgeon and 5 other officers failed to note the two gunshot wounds properly in theirs.

One officer wrote that Sheila was "on the left hand side of the bed" and a whole scenario was constructed by the Bamberloons where she was actually on the bed. Mike T has even seen the photo but JB got cross with him because it was the only copy and it got lost when he mailed it to the prison ( probably confiscated by MI5 )

The most likely person to have moved her body is Bamber - There is a reason Ismail was called by the prosecution.

I thought it was Ann Eaton who started the rumour that Sheila was found on the bed. She claimed that DC Clark told her that Sheila and June were found on the bed with the rifle between them and the bible on Sheila's chest. [w/s 14/05/91 page 9]
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Offline APRIL

Re: The phone call
« Reply #65 on: April 27, 2020, 09:42:26 PM »
I thought it was Ann Eaton who started the rumour that Sheila was found on the bed. She claimed that DC Clark told her that Sheila and June were found on the bed with the rifle between them and the bible on Sheila's chest. [w/s 14/05/91 page 9]


If someone is only repeating what they've been told by another, how can it be claimed that it's they, as opposed to the original story teller, who started the rumour?

Offline Common sense

Re: The phone call
« Reply #66 on: April 27, 2020, 09:44:15 PM »
I thought it was Ann Eaton who started the rumour that Sheila was found on the bed. She claimed that DC Clark told her that Sheila and June were found on the bed with the rifle between them and the bible on Sheila's chest. [w/s 14/05/91 page 9]

I think there were a lot of chinese whispers at the time. In fact the case is still riddled with them.

Officers outside listening to the radios of the raid team initially believed there were two bodies in the kitchen... a conspiracy theory that never dies.

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Re: The phone call
« Reply #67 on: April 27, 2020, 09:54:21 PM »
I think there were a lot of chinese whispers at the time. In fact the case is still riddled with them.

Officers outside listening to the radios of the raid team initially believed there were two bodies in the kitchen... a conspiracy theory that never dies.

Sounds like a mistake, rather than a conspiracy theory.

Who thought there were two bodies?  I  understand that someone thought, at first, that Nevill was a female, but where did the two bodies thing come from?

Offline Caroline

Re: The phone call
« Reply #68 on: April 27, 2020, 09:56:59 PM »
Sounds like a mistake, rather than a conspiracy theory.

Who thought there were two bodies?  I  understand that someone thought, at first, that Nevill was a female, but where did the two bodies thing come from?

Mistake it may be but Bamber and the CT have and continue to milk it as proof that Sheila was still alive.

Offline APRIL

Re: The phone call
« Reply #69 on: April 27, 2020, 09:58:38 PM »
Sounds like a mistake, rather than a conspiracy theory.

Who thought there were two bodies?  I  understand that someone thought, at first, that Nevill was a female, but where did the two bodies thing come from?



A misunderstanding, Mrswah, which some supporters have used and played to the hilt. I don't think there's any more mileage in it, but who knows?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The phone call
« Reply #70 on: April 27, 2020, 10:08:12 PM »
We have been through this before, Woodcock also described how blood was leaking out of both sides of her moon her face so this was clearly the blood was dried around her mouth so this could NOT have occurred later. Dr Craig described seeing 'a quantity of dried blood which had come from her mouth when he pronounced death. I agree with Ismail - that her feet were pulled, they were pulled by Bamber!

I thought you didn't place any weight on what Dr Craig said since he only observed 1 gsw?

Why would A/PS Woodcock say SC's head was raised against the bedside cabinet if it wasn't?  He was the lead officer in the firearms team where observational skills are number 1. 

SC sustained 2 gsw's and the pathologists were unable to say with any certainty the time gap between the two.  We have no idea of SC's precise position for the two shots and what happened in between. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Caroline

Re: The phone call
« Reply #71 on: April 27, 2020, 10:12:38 PM »
I thought you didn't place any weight on what Dr Craig said since he only observed 1 gsw?

Why would A/PS Woodcock say SC's head was raised against the bedside cabinet if it wasn't?  He was the lead officer in the firearms team where observational skills are number 1. 

SC sustained 2 gsw's and the pathologists were unable to say with any certainty the time gap between the two.  We have no idea of SC's precise position for the two shots and what happened in between.

Where did I say that? If I did, I certainly would be daft enough to ignore what he said about the blood on SC's face given that there is a photograph showing that he was correct!

Woodcock clearly made a mistake - he must have because the blood proves it.

Well we do have the fact that there is no blood trail down the front of her nightdress so she is unlikely to have gone anywhere - although I'm not sure why you have made this comment in the context of the debate?

Offline Common sense

Re: The phone call
« Reply #72 on: April 27, 2020, 10:13:02 PM »


A misunderstanding, Mrswah, which some supporters have used and played to the hilt. I don't think there's any more mileage in it, but who knows?

The CT seem to think there is.. they were tweeting about it just the other day.

It was all part of their #SheilaAlive campaign - the weirdos even had badges made.

My favourite one is curtains being "drawn" meaning the opposite of being "closed"  @)(++(*

https://twitter.com/Bambertweets/status/1003221886355099648
« Last Edit: April 27, 2020, 10:16:19 PM by Common sense »

Offline APRIL

Re: The phone call
« Reply #73 on: April 27, 2020, 10:16:38 PM »
The CT seem to think there is.. they were tweeting about it just the other day.

It was all part of their #SheilaAlive campaign - the weirdos even had badges made.

My favourite one is curtains being "drawn" meaning the opposite of being "closed"

https://twitter.com/Bambertweets/status/1003221886355099648


They appear to be twisting words as opposed to tweeting them.

Offline Caroline

Re: The phone call
« Reply #74 on: April 27, 2020, 10:23:06 PM »

They appear to be twisting words as opposed to tweeting them.

Squawking more like  @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*