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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The phone call
« Reply #90 on: April 28, 2020, 01:32:32 PM »
And from Prof MacDonell

Prof MacDonell is a US based blood stain analyst.

Interestingly his report contradicts with the two pathologists in that in his opinion the blood staining rules out SC standing or sitting when shot!

If nothing else it shows like most aspects of the case it's a mess and requires reviewing by experts taking a multi-discipline approach.  Pathologists are not biologists/blood stain analysts and biologists/bsa's are not pathologists.  It requires both working together.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The phone call
« Reply #91 on: April 28, 2020, 01:39:14 PM »
I was going to send the following image by pm to interested parties but unfortunately the system isn't up to this.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The phone call
« Reply #92 on: April 28, 2020, 02:00:55 PM »
Trial testimony from Dr Vanezis and Prof Knight re SC sitting in an upwards position which contradicts with Prof MacDonell'testimony  *%87
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The phone call
« Reply #93 on: April 28, 2020, 02:05:36 PM »


But when Sheila was found her head was on the floor by the bedside cabinet.

No-one (except JB) saw whether Sheila’s head banged against the cabinet — everyone else is just speculating 

And surely there’d have been some kind of gsr or blood spatter on the cabinet had her head banged back against it? Did they find any of her hairs on the cabinet? Any imprint?

Sheila didn’t have any bumps to the back of her head which suggested she’d banged it...

Whatever, Jeremy definitely dragged her body down the carpet as her nightdress was bunched up at the back

No.  All that can be said for sure is that SC's head was flat to the floor when she was photographed at circa 10.30 am.  This was some 3 hours after firearms team entered and numerous others were milling around.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The phone call
« Reply #94 on: April 28, 2020, 02:11:11 PM »
We all remember things differently, our minds are not video recorders that we can rewind.  Police hate having multiple witnesses to a crime because they can all say different and contradictory things and there is no reason to think multiple police officers are exempt from this.

The fact is, the evidence for police moving SC is weak to non existent while the evidence she was moved before the raid team entered is very much stronger as the 3 appeal court judges noted.

Another string to the prosecution's considerable bow.

I agree we do all remember things differently.

Mid 80's blood stain analysis was in its infancy.

A blood stain analyst and pathologist would now be able to work out what happened. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The phone call
« Reply #95 on: April 28, 2020, 02:24:15 PM »
Martyn Ismail's testimony:

518. To decide whether we considered that the interests of justice required that we heard Mr Ismail's evidence, we first had regard to the evidence that it was said that he could give. From the blood staining he concluded that following the second and fatal shot Sheila Caffell was lying almost flat on her back with her head propped against a bedside cabinet. For her then to slide to be found in the position depicted in the photographs would have required the downward force to be greater than the friction of her body against the floor. In his opinion this simply was not possible as there would only be the weight of the head providing the downward force. Therefore he concluded that an additional force would have been necessary. It could not have come from Sheila Caffell since the second shot would have been instantly fatal and thus she must have been moved by someone else, for example with her legs being pulled. He also considered that the weight and the friction between her skin and her nightdress was likely to have been less than the weight and friction between the nightdress and the carpet. Therefore, he would expect movement of the body within the nightdress rather than the body and clothing sliding together across the carpet. He pointed out that the photographs demonstrated this effect at the back of the nightdress with the nightdress staying rucked up in its original position. However the front of the nightdress had not demonstrated this effect. Accordingly Mr Ismail concluded that the nightdress had been pulled down after Sheila Caffell slid into her final position. Since on the evidence, she was dead by this stage, Mr Ismail concluded that some one else had arranged her nightdress.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The phone call
« Reply #96 on: April 28, 2020, 02:34:23 PM »
Neither defence or prosecution at trial attempted to advance theories that SC was moved at soc prior to soc images taken either by JB or those present at soc.

Soc officers admitted to lifting SC's arm only to take images underneath her wrist.

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline The General

Re: The phone call
« Reply #97 on: April 28, 2020, 02:36:31 PM »
Neither defence or prosecution at trial attempted to advance theories that SC was moved at soc prior to soc images taken either by JB or those present at soc.

Soc officers admitted to lifting SC's arm only to take images underneath her wrist.
Might a SOC officer reorganised the night dress to preserve her dignity?
Subject Matter Expert - Hobos.

Offline Caroline

Re: The phone call
« Reply #98 on: April 28, 2020, 02:46:04 PM »
Prof MacDonell is a US based blood stain analyst.

Interestingly his report contradicts with the two pathologists in that in his opinion the blood staining rules out SC standing or sitting when shot!

If nothing else it shows like most aspects of the case it's a mess and requires reviewing by experts taking a multi-discipline approach.  Pathologists are not biologists/blood stain analysts and biologists/bsa's are not pathologists.  It requires both working together.

And produce yet another opinion?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The phone call
« Reply #99 on: April 28, 2020, 02:47:06 PM »
Might a SOC officer reorganised the night dress to preserve her dignity?

Yes possibly.  Apparently she wasn't wearing underwear. But this doesn't account for all the other discrepancies.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The phone call
« Reply #100 on: April 28, 2020, 02:47:58 PM »
And produce yet another opinion?

No because bsa has moved on leap and bounds since an expert last gave opinion.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline The General

Re: The phone call
« Reply #101 on: April 28, 2020, 02:51:26 PM »
Yes possibly.  Apparently she wasn't wearing underwear. But this doesn't account for all the other discrepancies.
No, but if this SOC officer did that, but then didn't report it, then it explains that entire phenomenon quite readily - in fact probably most plausibly.
Subject Matter Expert - Hobos.

Offline Nicholas

Re: The phone call
« Reply #102 on: April 28, 2020, 02:56:21 PM »
And produce yet another opinion?

That’s how it works
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: The phone call
« Reply #103 on: April 28, 2020, 02:57:14 PM »
No because bsa has moved on leap and bounds since an expert last gave opinion.

So has innocence fraud

Have a listen,

John Collins joins Roberta to talk about how why forensic science is being denigrated and challenged by the Innocence movement.

https://podbay.fm/podcast/1446785430/e/1573848019
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Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: The phone call
« Reply #104 on: April 28, 2020, 03:09:46 PM »
Mistake it may be but Bamber and the CT have and continue to milk it as proof that Sheila was still alive.

Mark Newby appears to have brought into it
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation