Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence

[ISpyWithMyEye]

That means the US is going to analyse 20 markers instead of 13. The UK has always analysed 20 markers.

You’ll confuse yourself further, Gunit, if you start trying to compare American forensics with British.

When you Google information it’s better to stick to British sites; this didn’t happen in America and has no relevance

[G-Unit]

I’m not spreading untruths.

I’ve cited an extract from the official court documents.

The forensic scientist said she was certain it was Sheila’s blood: the defence (obviously) tried to refute it by saying it didn’t show EVERY marker. But 17 out of 20 — and of a RARE blood group at that — was enough to convince the judges the blood was Sheila’s, even though for legal reasons they were obliged to say it wasn’t “fully proven” — but they all knew it was really 😌

If you're referring to the DNA testing quoted in the 2002 Appeal, the forensic scientist did not say she was certain it came from Sheila's blood. LCN DNA tests are unable to indentify which bodily fluid the DNA came from.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Have you now finally accepted what the Court actually said, rather than what some people think they said?

You don’t seem to have comprehended that the Court were legally bound to say it wasn’t 100% established that the blood was Sheila’s, as they hadn’t discovered all 20 markers.

They discovered SEVENTEEN that were a perfect match to Sheila’s, and as the EXPERT forensic scientist stated “it was a trillion to one that the blood found in the silencer was Sheila’s”.

By focussing on this and trying to distort it to suit your desires wont change a thing; do you realise that?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Perspicacious.

Stop taking the P out of her 😌

[ISpyWithMyEye]

You think?

  Seems he does...

[G-Unit]

You don’t seem to have comprehended that the Court were legally bound to say it wasn’t 100% established that the blood was Sheila’s, as they hadn’t discovered all 20 markers.

They discovered SEVENTEEN that were a perfect match to Sheila’s, and as the EXPERT forensic scientist stated “it was a trillion to one that the blood found in the silencer was Sheila’s”.

By focussing on this and trying to distort it to suit your desires wont change a thing; do you realise that?

I'm not the one who misunderstands the evidence.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

They found 17 out of 20 bands which they said was Sheila's. I don't know how they justified that conclusion, because they didn't have a full profile of her DNA. They had 50% of it from her mother, but none of her father's. There was a lot of speculation about contamination. They also, remember, said that of those 17 bands 13 could have matched by chance.

A trillion to one chance 🤓

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Where does it say that?  You just wrote that 13 of the 17 bands could have matched by chance, are you now changing your mind and saying that 17 out of 17 could have matched by chance?

It’s really difficult arguing with some people...

Everyone knows you’re right, VS 😊

[ISpyWithMyEye]

OK, so the grandmother of the twins was not involved if that was the case.   Could there be female siblings of Shiela who shared the same mother (maternal siblings)?

There were only three adults in the house, Robbity

Two women and one man — Sheila, June and Nevill

Plus two little boys — Daniel and Nicholas

The silencer that Jeremy used and then hid contained the blood of three adults.

Sheila had a rare blood group — A Rhesus negative. The same as one of the blood groups in the silencer. That blood group (A) had 17 out of 20 possible markers which exactly matched Sheila’s. They were unable to pick up the remaining three markers, and as the defence desperately tried to suggest it “may” not have been Sheila’s blood as they hadn’t found all 20 markers, the court was legally bound to say they couldn’t prove 100% that the blood was Sheila’s, despite the forensic scientist saying that 17 markers exactly matching each other meant the chances of it NOT being Sheila’s blood was a trillion to one.

So basically, the blood was Sheila’s. Fact.

[Admin]

A trillion to one chance

It's standard procedure to take a blood sample at autopsy so there is no reason why Sheila's wouldn't be freely available at the time unless the pathologist messed up?

[G-Unit]

There were only three adults in the house, Robbity

Two women and one man — Sheila, June and Nevill

Plus two little boys — Daniel and Nicholas

The silencer that Jeremy used and then hid contained the blood of three adults.

Sheila had a rare blood group — A Rhesus negative. The same as one of the blood groups in the silencer. That blood group (A) had 17 out of 20 possible markers which exactly matched Sheila’s. They were unable to pick up the remaining three markers, and as the defence desperately tried to suggest it “may” not have been Sheila’s blood as they hadn’t found all 20 markers, the court was legally bound to say they couldn’t prove 100% that the blood was Sheila’s, despite the forensic scientist saying that 17 markers exactly matching each other meant the chances of it NOT being Sheila’s blood was a trillion to one.

So basically, the blood was Sheila’s. Fact.

Sheila's blood wasn't tested for DNA.

[Holly Goodhead]

It's standard procedure to take a blood sample at autopsy so there is no reason why Sheila's wouldn't be freely available at the time unless the pathologist messed up?

The pathologist didn't mess up but Essex Police did in that all exhibits were destroyed including victims' samples:

165. In February 1996, the Essex police destroyed many of the original trial exhibits without reference to the appellant or his legal representatives. It might have been necessary for this court to examine the circumstances in which this had happened. The police officer responsible contended that it was done without his appreciating that there was any on-going legal process that might require the further use of the exhibits. However, during argument it was agreed that the court could protect the appellant's position by making assumptions in his favour and that, therefore, it was unnecessary to resolve precisely how this came about.

[Holly Goodhead]

There were only three adults in the house, Robbity

Two women and one man — Sheila, June and Nevill

Plus two little boys — Daniel and Nicholas

The silencer that Jeremy used and then hid contained the blood of three adults.

Sheila had a rare blood group — A Rhesus negative. The same as one of the blood groups in the silencer. That blood group (A) had 17 out of 20 possible markers which exactly matched Sheila’s. They were unable to pick up the remaining three markers, and as the defence desperately tried to suggest it “may” not have been Sheila’s blood as they hadn’t found all 20 markers, the court was legally bound to say they couldn’t prove 100% that the blood was Sheila’s, despite the forensic scientist saying that 17 markers exactly matching each other meant the chances of it NOT being Sheila’s blood was a trillion to one.

So basically, the blood was Sheila’s. Fact.

The bands are based on the weight of molecules and need to match exactly to confirm a match with the cellular material under investigation:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11431.msg589873#msg589873

[G-Unit]

It's standard procedure to take a blood sample at autopsy so there is no reason why Sheila's wouldn't be freely available at the time unless the pathologist messed up?

By the time the DNA tests were carried out all the blood-based samples had been destroyed by Essex Police.

[Nicholas]

The pathologist didn't mess up but Essex Police did in that all exhibits were destroyed including victims' samples:

165. In February 1996, the Essex police destroyed many of the original trial exhibits without reference to the appellant or his legal representatives. It might have been necessary for this court to examine the circumstances in which this had happened. The police officer responsible contended that it was done without his appreciating that there was any on-going legal process that might require the further use of the exhibits. However, during argument it was agreed that the court could protect the appellant's position by making assumptions in his favour and that, therefore, it was unnecessary to resolve precisely how this came about.

All exhibits were not destroyed Holly

Aunt Agatha has the Chinese trick box, she also had the wetsuit

The surviving relatives received June’s bible

The passage you keep quoting from is misleading