Did Jeremy Bamber exhibit psychopathic tendencies?

[Holly Goodhead]

It not hidden, he was classified as a psychopath prior to trial - just because we're not party to the details doesn't make it any the less true.

Who classified JB as a psychopath?  When?  Where?  How?

[Holly Goodhead]

You’re not a psychiatrist, Holly, but I bet you’d say Peter Sutcliffe is a psychopath — and you’ve never even met him

PS has been diagnosed by numerous mental health professionals as a paranoid schizophrenic.

[Holly Goodhead]

I wonder why the home secretary increased his sentence to whole life?

Was it because he just felt like it or was it because he was privy to whatever is in Bambers NOMIS file?

Or was it because Bamber and his CT are clearly attempting innocence fraud with the "sloppy paperwork" conspiracy fantasies that Holly refers to?

The psych eval referred to by RW was requested by the defence who obviously didn't have to disclose it. The prison service would have done their own either pre sentence or after conviction and I'm betting its bad.

The trial judge made ref as to whether it would ever be safe to release him.

[Common sense]

PS has been diagnosed by numerous mental health professionals as a paranoid schizophrenic.

I'm not so sure he isn't just feigning it to stay in hospital.  Harry Ogden was junior counsel for the prosecution at PS' trial and recounts cross examining him, asking how, if he was hearing voices commanding him to kill, those voices only spoke to him on Friday and Saturdays when Sonja was at work.   

[APRIL]

But June's mental illness didn't surface until she had  difficulty conceiving and then found herself infertile.

There doesn't appear to have been any history of mental illness in her biological family.

But how she bought up her children was a reflection of her own childhood. She had no other frame of reference. The mental illness didn't create, what was to become a high reliance on religion, she'd been bought up with that, but I believe it may have caused her to believe she was being punished.

[Nicholas]

Those close to SC eg CC and Freddie describe a toxic relationship. 

According to Dr F, SC saw June as a threat to her.  How many children, adopted or otherwise, need psychiatric treatment during which they describe seeing their mother as a threat?

In an interview Bamber gave in 1993, when asked,

Do you see the spark of this crime being the possibility of her children being fostered out ?

His reply was,

“It was something that was discussed. That was one of the many, many options that were discussed over how best to help her. What were the outside pressures causing her such distress ?”

[mrswah]

I'm not so sure he isn't just feigning it to stay in hospital.  Harry Ogden was junior counsel for the prosecution at PS' trial and recounts cross examining him, asking how, if he was hearing voices commanding him to kill, those voices only spoke to him on Friday and Saturdays when Sonja was at work.   

Hasn't Sutcliffe been moved back to prison now? I'm sure it was being talked about a year or two ago.

Sonia herself suffers from schizophrenia. I often wondered whether PS was feigning his symptoms based upon what he saw at home. However, there must, surely, have been something wrong with him for him to do what he did, and he was in Broadmoor for many years.

[Eleanor]

This is a horror story.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

PS has been diagnosed by numerous mental health professionals as a paranoid schizophrenic.

And a psychopath

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Hasn't Sutcliffe been moved back to prison now? I'm sure it was being talked about a year or two ago.

Sonia herself suffers from schizophrenia. I often wondered whether PS was feigning his symptoms based upon what he saw at home. However, there must, surely, have been something wrong with him for him to do what he did, and he was in Broadmoor for many years.

Prisoners have been known to feign mental illness so as to get a more comfortable environment

[ISpyWithMyEye]

But June's mental illness didn't surface until she had  difficulty conceiving and then found herself infertile.

There doesn't appear to have been any history of mental illness in her biological family.

I haven’t got CAL’s book to hand, but three men who lived at WHF in the 1800s and early 1900s all killed themselves.

One took arsenic, I believe

One drowned himself in a big water butt

And one shot himself dead by tying string to his toe and the trigger of a rifle, then clenching his foot to fire it. That one lived on the farm but not in the house. The other two lived in the house.

I’m not sure, but I think they were related to June in some way...it’s at the very beginning of the book

[Common sense]

Prisoners have been known to feign mental illness so as to get a more comfortable environment

Or cop a plea on diminished responsibility.

Huntley tried it, pretending to be catatonic and literally dribbling but seemed to make a remarkable recovery when he thought no one was watching.

Anyway, I'm not convinced that psych evals can't be fooled by a more clever and cunning person. Mrs W makes an excellent point about PS having a familiar example to mimic.

[Holly Goodhead]

What on Earth are you talking about?

Sheila and Colin had joint custody, and when the twins stayed with her they weren’t supervised visits!

In CC's first wit stat he refers to seeing SC a few times with the boys.

In his second wit stat he refers to allowing SC to have the twins at her flat 5% of the time.

5% doesn't sound like joint custody.  CC was clearly calling the shots and rightly so if his letter drafted to NB was an accurate reflection.

The needs of children come first.  June was not fit to adopt children and sadly SC was not fit to parent the twins.

[Caroline]

PS has been diagnosed by numerous mental health professionals as a paranoid schizophrenic.

Yet he held down a job as a lorry driver for many years, undiagnosed and unmedicated.

[Caroline]

In CC's first wit stat he refers to seeing SC a few times with the boys.

In his second wit stat he refers to allowing SC to have the twins at her flat 5% of the time.

5% doesn't sound like joint custody.  CC was clearly calling the shots and rightly so if his letter drafted to NB was an accurate reflection.

The needs of children come first.  June was not fit to adopt children and sadly SC was not fit to parent the twins.

In your unqualified opinion. Legally they have joint custody and in times once Sheila was stabilised on her medication, there. is no reason why she couldn't have taken a more active part in their lives - not only was that taken from her, but the lives of he boy was also extinguished by a greedy, heartless, psychopath.