Did Jeremy Bamber exhibit psychopathic tendencies?

[Nicholas]

You believe the book excerpt posted up by Myster is evidence JB is a psychopath?

Would the defence have allowed the jury to be told Bamber was a psychopath

The prosecution knew he was Holly as did the defence

[John]

You believe the book excerpt posted up by Myster is evidence JB is a psychopath?

Several individuals who knew him were of the same opinion, amongst them was his own defence team. I believe the words used were 'psychopathic tendencies'.  I remember discussing this quite some time ago and providing some research which showed that young men were prone to psychopath disorders but that in many cases the disorder had wained or disappeared by middle age.

[Caroline]

How is that excerpt evidence of anything?

Again, how is it not?

[APRIL]

How is that excerpt evidence of anything?

The excerpt isn't, but unless you're suggesting the author lied, the information is. If we put the boot on the other one, do you disregard as meaningless, any view which supports Jeremy's innocence, or do you insist on seeing it as written evidence?

[John]

I believe it can also be argued that for a young man to commit such a dreadful deed there must have been some element of mental imbalance, disorder or psychopathic influences at play.  IMO, no sane person could ever contemplate carrying out such a terrible crime.

[Caroline]

I believe it can also be argued that for a young man to commit such a dreadful deed there must have been some element of mental imbalance, disorder or psychopathic influences at play.  IMO, no sane person could ever contemplate carrying out such a terrible crime.

Exactly and all because he couldn't wait for what he thought was his entitlement. He even excuse their lives away - the man IS a psychopath.

[APRIL]

Exactly and all because he couldn't wait for what he thought was his entitlement. He even excuse their lives away - the man IS a psychopath.

Who was he to make a judgement call on how Colin's life would be better without his children? Still, it gives us insight into his thought processes. I'd have liked to say, feelings, but......

[Caroline]

Who was he to make a judgement call on how Colin's life would be better without his children? Still, it gives us insight into his thought processes. I'd have liked to say, feelings, but......

A psychopath with a sense of entitlement.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I didn't say they were supervised visits.  I said CC took the twins to see SC so in effect they were supervised visits:

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11438.msg586795#msg586795

Ie SC was not left alone with them as CC was there.  But I can in his second statement he states he had the twins 95% of the time from Mar to Aug and he allowed SC to have the twins at her flat the rest of the time which I assume was without the presence of CC and/or others.

CC claims Dr F told him SC would suffer the illness at increasing intervals. He was only going to permit SC limited unsupervised contact with the twins.

OK, you said “effectively “ they were supervised visits.

You INFERRED it

But you’re WRONG

Sheila sometimes had the twins at weekends, during the week, on her own.

She was alone with them: so how does that make them supervised visits?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

For someone who disbelieves experts, doctors, pathologists, psychiatrists, and respected authors...it’s amazing how Holly believes a convicted mass murderer!

[ISpyWithMyEye]

As blinkered as many refusing to accept the following from Prof Egan:

Professor Vincent Egan BSc (Hons).,Ph.D., D. Clin. Psy. Chartered Clinical Psychologist, Chartered Forensic Psychologist, Senior Lecturer in Forensic Psychology, University of Leicester, recently carried out a psychological assessment of Jeremy Bamber for a category A risk assessment review and he stated in his 14 page report:

 “Jeremy has been previously assessed using the PCL-R and found non-psychopathic. My own assessment also found he did not meet caseness for clinical psychopathy, or even mild psychopathy.” He goes on to state “He did not meet caseness for any of the personality disorder dimensions.”

It has also been further suggested that Jeremy Bamber has used “Impression Management” to dupe the assessor into believing he has no psychopathy, nevertheless Professor Egan applied further tests to take this into account and noted:

“To examine whether Jeremy was exaggerating how he presented himself, he also completed the BIDR (Paulus, 1998). On this measure Jeremy was within the low-normal range for impression management and self-deception enhancement. These results suggest he was not presenting himself in an excessively anodyne way to bias the assessor.”

Professor Egan comments, “These findings suggest it is hard to sustain the view that Jeremy Bamber is so expert in deceptive self-presentation as to maintain this front for over a variety of different assessors, different assessment instruments and different times” 

The assessment concludes with “Dangerous violent persons tend to be angry, alienated, impulsive and out of control, and none of these qualities appear to reflect Mr Bamber. Quite what the motive would be for something like the index offence being carried out by Mr Bamber again is very speculative, as is the proposition in the first place.”

That test is a load of BS. That’s why the British courts deem it inadmissible.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I don't know who committed the murders at White House Farm, but I do know that psychopathy isn't evidence of guilt, and even if it was there's no evidence of psychopathy anyway.

The twins were murdered, but I see no evidence that they were murdered by a psychopath. Paranoid schitzophrenics kill, and there was a fully diagnosed one on the scene.

Paranoid Schizophrenics almost NEVER kill.

You really need to do research

[Vertigo Swirl]

I don't know who committed the murders at White House Farm, but I do know that psychopathy isn't evidence of guilt, and even if it was there's no evidence of psychopathy anyway.

The twins were murdered, but I see no evidence that they were murdered by a psychopath. Paranoid schitzophrenics kill, and there was a fully diagnosed one on the scene.

You don’t know who did it?  Then you must accept it’s possible Jeremy Bamber did it?  And if he did do it you still refuse to countenance this as the behaviour of a psychopath?  Really?

[Nicholas]

For someone who disbelieves experts, doctors, pathologists, psychiatrists, and respected authors...it’s amazing how Holly believes a convicted mass murderer!

Under his ‘spell’ maybe or something else?

[mrswah]

He was diagnosed as a psychopath pre-trial. It has a LOT of bearing on this guilt.You seem determined to dismiss anything and everything that points to Bamber as the killer. Circumstantial evidence convicts people everyday - there comes a point when coincidences pass a level to be considered coincidences at all.

Specifically, the twins haven't got a future because they were murdered by a gun toting psychopath - the one you keep defending!

Questioning Bamber's guilt is NOT the same as defending him.