Did Jeremy Bamber exhibit psychopathic tendencies?

[G-Unit]

I don't know. I leave diagnoses to the experts, hence the question.
Who were the experts and what test did they use?
Or is everyone here simply using the convenient label they've become accustomed to?

Susan Atkins participated in at least 5 murders whilst a member of the Manson family, apparently killing Sharon Tate, plunging a knife in to her unborn 8 month old foetus, dipping her finger in and licking the blood. Was she a psychopath, despite never being diagnosed?

No-one has been able to identify an expert as yet. I think the label is something people want to be true rather than something that they can show to be true.

[Eleanor]

No-one has been able to identify an expert as yet. I think the label is something people want to be true rather than something that they can show to be true.

This is a good explanation.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Why do people believe he's a psychopath when there's no evidence of it?

Perhaps because he is guilty of killing five people including two children in cold blood for monetary gain.  If that’s not evidence of psychopathy, what would you call it?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I don't know. I leave diagnoses to the experts, hence the question.
Who were the experts and what test did they use?
Or is everyone here simply using the convenient label they've become accustomed to?

Susan Atkins participated in at least 5 murders whilst a member of the Manson family, apparently killing Sharon Tate, plunging a knife in to her unborn 8 month old foetus, dipping her finger in and licking the blood. Was she a psychopath, despite never being diagnosed?

She was simply the tool of a psychopath, unless you don’t believe Charlie Manson was one?

[The General]

No-one has been able to identify an expert as yet. I think the label is something people want to be true rather than something that they can show to be true.

It may well be true; true in the sense that an experienced clinician has made a 'diagnosis' using known and trusted methods, although there's still some subjectivity involved.
It's now possible to medically diagnose limbic deficiencies corroborative with psychopathy, not that anyone has the will / funds / legal right, etc to test Bamber, nor would he acquiesce, using Pavlovian stimuli, amongst others, under controlled conditions.

This is by no means a defence, I know he did it, I'm interested in the neuroscientific aspects of criminality.

[The General]

She was simply the tool of a psychopath, unless you don’t believe Charlie Manson was one?

Ahh, OK, so if you believe the official 'Helter Skelter' narrative, then you admit that not all mass murderers are psychopaths? And a psychopath can impose his / her will to such an extent to induce impressionable, non-psychopathic subjects to kill on command?
Seems there's some wiggle room when perpetrating mass murder.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Ahh, OK, so if you believe the official 'Helter Skelter' narrative, then you admit that not all mass murderers are psychopaths? And a psychopath can impose his / her will to such an extent to induce impressionable, non-psychopathic subjects to kill on command?
Seems there's some wiggle room when perpetrating mass murder.

As I have never said all mass murderers are psychopaths I have nothing to admit.  Charles Manson did induce impressionable young people to do his bidding, unless you’re trying to tell me he was misunderstood?

[The General]

As I have never said all mass murderers are psychopaths I have nothing to admit.

So why is Jeremy Bamber a psychopath, given the example you just concurred with?

I am very aware that this is now on totally the wrong thread - apple oggies.

[Nicholas]

She was simply the tool of a psychopath, unless you don’t believe Charlie Manson was one?

‘Tool of a psychopath’ ?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2w4lK3IWuFM

Charles Manson did induce impressionable young people to do his bidding

?

[Vertigo Swirl]

So why is Jeremy Bamber a psychopath, given the example you just concurred with?

I am very aware that this is now on totally the wrong thread - apple oggies.

Because he wasn’t acting on instructions or under malign influence, and was motivated purely by hatred and greed. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

Are we saying that unless someone has been personally evaluated and received a clinical diagnosis by a psychiatrist of psychopathy that we are not allowed to refer to them as such? So I wouldn’t be allowed to refer to George Hodel as a psychopath then even though it’s as plain as the nose on your face that he was one?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hodel

[The General]

Because he wasn’t acting on instructions or under malign influence, and was motivated purely by hatred and greed.

How do we square this dichotomy then? Susan Atkins - was told to do it - not a psychopath; Bamber - told himself to do it  -psychopath.

[The General]

Are we saying that unless someone has been personally evaluated and received a clinical diagnosis by a psychiatrist of psychopathy that we are not allowed to refer to them as such? So I wouldn’t be allowed to refer to George Hodel as a psychopath then even though it’s as plain as the nose on your face that he was one?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hodel

I see your Hodel and raise you a Kemper: one of the most notorious serial killers in American history - endeared himself to his psychiatrists by being a model prisoner, and was trained to administer psychiatric tests to other inmates. One of his psychiatrists later said: "He was a very good worker and this is not typical of a sociopath.
An atypical sociopath - whodathunkit?
Again, my point is this loose, convenient label is all it is. And, as distasteful as it may be to some, it is, in it's simplest term notwithstanding conditioning, etc, a simple deficiency of the limbic system (although research now suggests that 'fight or flight' may not be as impaired as first thought).

[APRIL]

How do we square this dichotomy then? Susan Atkins - was told to do it - not a psychopath; Bamber - told himself to do it  -psychopath.

Maybe it was simply that he felt entitled. If the reasons for that are listed, it might be possible for you to understand his reasoning?

[The General]

Maybe it was simply that he felt entitled. If the reasons for that are listed, it might be possible for you to understand his reasoning?

It might be. Does a killer always have to be a psychopath? Again, hey, he might be a raving psychopath and, under neurological examination he may be found to be fitting the medical diagnosis. And I like the work of Bob Hare and subsequent research that has examined the field, such as Hoffman, but they have created a convenient monster.
It's said 1% of the general population is a 'psychopath' - that's about 30 million people worldwide in 1985, so there's a chance he is, particularly given that he killed his entire family and the general population of jails house between 15%-25% of all inmates being labelled psychopaths. The odds are not in his favour, I grant you. He scores highly on the Hare checklist and the PCL-R. But it's not definitive because we still haven't seen these tests ever having been conducted, as a minimum.