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Offline Nicholas

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #315 on: May 26, 2020, 12:10:40 PM »
Julie also states,

‘I must admit that I believed Sarah as I could see no reason for her approach to me in such a state if nothing had happened”

It then appears Bamber used violence in order to get Julie to submit

She goes on to states,

“As a result of his actions” she’s referring to his violent outburst “I changed my mind, told him I believed him and he returned to work”

Julie goes on,

“After that incident he refused to have Sarah in the house and told me not to see her again”

Classic example of coercive control right there
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #316 on: May 26, 2020, 12:18:04 PM »
From Roger Wilkes book ‘Blood Relations’
Stan Jones leafed through a sheaf of typewritten papers on the table in front of him.  'So,' he said, 'you know Charles Marsden?' 
Jeremy said he did. 

'He and I were very close a few years ago, and not so close now as I don't really see him that often.' 

The detective continued to look through his papers. 

'Do you remember me yesterday putting to you that Julie had said that you intended to drug the family and burn the farm down when they were all in it ? 

Bamber said he remembered and that Julie was telling lies. 

‘You see' said Stan Jones, running a finger down one of the statements,

'Charles Marsden also says the same thing.  He says that around Christmas time last year, when all the family, your parents, Sheila and twins were there, you told him that if you burned the house down with all them in it, you'd get everything.  Is he telling lies as well? 

Jeremy said he didn't remember discussing the matter with Marsden, and that he concluded that his friend was lying. 

Stan Jones put the statement down on the table.  Julie's telling lies.' he said, recapping 'and he is telling lies.  For what reason? 'No comment.'


If Bamber thought Charles Marsden was a liar why did he go to see him the day after the murders ?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #317 on: May 26, 2020, 12:20:55 PM »
Do you think Charles Marsden had told police he went to bed and left Bamber and the girl downstairs ?

‘Charles went to bed while Jeremy and the girl stayed downstairs drinking.

Am presuming CAL took the above from his WS ?

Maybe the following came from Sarah’s statement ?

‘She told detectives in 1985 that she had suddenly found herself in Jeremy’s bedroom with him, ‘on top of me having intercourse’. Charles Marsden lay next to them;

This bit must have come from Marsden’s statement

‘he recalled waking up to find the couple having sex

Suppose Bamber could have drugged her then carried her up to bed where Marsden was sleeping - but why take her upstairs to a bed with Marsden in it - why not stay downstairs ?

What happens after Marsden wakes up to find them having sex ? Did he take himself out of the situation ?

Something doesn’t add up as I’ve said

This part in particular of Charles Marsden’s statement appears iffy
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #318 on: May 26, 2020, 12:26:17 PM »
Charles Marsden had also called to say that he'd been interviewed by detectives no fewer than three times.

Does anyone know why Charles Marsden wasn’t used as a witness at trial ?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #319 on: May 26, 2020, 12:30:31 PM »
If Bamber thought Charles Marsden was a liar why did he go to see him the day after the murders ?

‘At teatime on the day following the White House Farm massacre, Jeremy Bamber had appeared at Charles Marsden's office in Colchester.  Marsden knew nothing of what had happened, and Jeremy poured out the story that Marsden later read in the newspapers. The two men drove to a little pub outside Colchester and talked for about half an hour. 

Courtesy of Roger Wilkes ‘Blood Relations’
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #320 on: May 26, 2020, 12:32:33 PM »
‘At teatime on the day following the White House Farm massacre, Jeremy Bamber had appeared at Charles Marsden's office in Colchester.  Marsden knew nothing of what had happened, and Jeremy poured out the story that Marsden later read in the newspapers. The two men drove to a little pub outside Colchester and talked for about half an hour. 

Courtesy of Roger Wilkes ‘Blood Relations’

It’s quite possible the reason Bamber went to see Charles Marsden was to tell him to keep his mouth shut re the drugging and sexual assault on Sarah or he’d implicate him
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #321 on: May 26, 2020, 12:45:46 PM »
Interestingly though Julie also states,

“as this was going on Jeremy and Charles were fondling each other although she was not explicit as to what they were doing”

She appears to be recalling what Sarah may have told her about the ‘incident’

Was Sarah ‘explicit’ in her witness statement to police ?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #322 on: May 26, 2020, 12:52:41 PM »
There’s a blog headed, JEREMY BAMBER : THE WHITE HOUSE FARM MURDERSby Richard Bevan (Jan 2019)
 
A couple of excerpts read,

PATHOLOGICAL LIARS & BPD (BORDERLINE PERSONALITY DISORDER)
Pathological lying and extreme delusional self-belief are traits recognised in countless murderers and serial killers over the decades. Andrew Cunanan, infamous for several brutal murders before shooting and killing Italian fashion designer Gianni Versace in 1997 in Miami is a test case example of Borderline Personality Disorder.
However, a psychiatric disorder such as BPD does not necessarily relate to violent behaviour. It is generally a mental health condition that affects around one in 150 people in the UK and is, for the most part, identified with ‘split personality’ and not schizophrenia. Even the latter, outside of horror movies and 70s TV thrillers, is rarely associated with violent and dangerous behaviour. But intense, inappropriate anger is one of the most troubling symptoms of borderline personality disorder, in fact so intense that it is often referred to as ‘borderline rage’. Cunanan, who eventually committed suicide at a Miami beach-house while under siege by the armed police is the kind of psychotic killer associated with both BPD and acute pathological lying which enabled him to create a fake persona and convince the unsuspecting of being someone or something he wasn’t.

UPBRINGING AND EMOTIONAL TRAUMA
Psychiatric illnesses and syndromes such as BPD, Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) and Anti-Social Personality Disorder often have their roots in childhood and early experiences both within and outside the family unit. Dr Scott Carroll explains. ‘Such people have usually had childhoods filled with abuse, neglect, and loss of caregivers and grew up in foster care or an orphanage’.
Serial killer-in-the-making Cunanan was raised in a household where his mother was terrified of her violent, authoritarian husband, a status-obsessed bully who is also believed to have sexually abused the young Cunanan as a child. Creating fake worlds by the traumatised may be one strategy to cope with anxiety, emotional violence and fear as Dr Michele Barton, director of ‘Psychology Life Well’ underlines. ‘Pathological liars are usually very insecure individuals raised by very authoritative and strict parents who were not excepting of that individual as they were. Therefore the [person] had to create a persona that was lovable and acceptable by their parents to avoid punishment, embarrassment, and vulnerability,’ says Barton.

NARCISSISTIC PERSONALITY DISORDER
Lie detector results exempting, the one factor Bamber and Cunanan share in common with their pathology is Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) or strong narcissistic traits where they compulsively lied just to make themselves appear more glamorous and impressive. Those with NPD often display an exaggerated sense of self-importance and the more clever of them, such as Cunanan, can con others into believing their boashut upl tales. Before Cunanan’s dramatic death as he was holed up in a Miami beach-house he had at times, lived the lifestyle of a millionaire, socialising with the rich and famous, all on the back of presenting an image of himself that wasn’t factual. Bamber himself created a delusional world for himself, an alternative alter-ego as a ‘playboy’ and a self-belief of being intellectually superior to those aro,und him. Although Bamber’s childhood and social background was different to that of the power-crazed Cunanan, he was brought up in a strict ‘moral’ home environment by disapproving parents and in the case of his mother, June, her religious fervour and puritan mindset was controlling and may have contributed to Bamber’s sister Sheila’s mental breakdown.

The blog can be read in full here https://www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk/article/jeremy-bamber-the-white-house-farm-murders
« Last Edit: May 26, 2020, 12:55:55 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #323 on: May 26, 2020, 01:05:19 PM »
Charles Marsden had also called to say that he'd been interviewed by detectives no fewer than three times.

But it appears CAL only referred to one of Charles Marsden’s witness statements? (w/s, 9 september 1985)

Was he interviewed by police 3 times but only gave one witness statement or are there 2 further witness statements ?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #324 on: May 26, 2020, 01:11:29 PM »
It’s been claimed on the Injustice Anywhere forum,

‘Idea of burning the house down can be traced back to Charles Marsden a boyfriend of Julies friend.

Injustice Anywhere • View topic - Jeremy Bamber
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.ph ... l#msg29919 ... Idea of burning the house down can be traced back to Charles Marsden a boyfriend of Julies friend.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #325 on: May 26, 2020, 02:28:05 PM »
It’s been claimed on the Injustice Anywhere forum,

‘Idea of burning the house down can be traced back to Charles Marsden a boyfriend of Julies friend.

Injustice Anywhere • View topic - Jeremy Bamber
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.ph ... l#msg29919 ... Idea of burning the house down can be traced back to Charles Marsden a boyfriend of Julies friend.

No idea who posted it on Injustice Anywhere as it appears you have to be a member to view the site

But why try to link Charles Marsden back to Julie

Marsden was a close friend of Bamber’s - Bamber said so himself

Suspect he knew many things about Bamber and some things he may have even chosen to not tell police
« Last Edit: May 26, 2020, 02:55:09 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #326 on: May 26, 2020, 03:41:45 PM »
Julie goes on,

“After that incident he refused to have Sarah in the house and told me not to see her again”

Classic example of coercive control right there

Julie further states (re Sarah)

“He also said if he ever found her round the house he would go for her”

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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #327 on: May 26, 2020, 11:41:54 PM »
It’s been claimed on the Injustice Anywhere forum,

‘Idea of burning the house down can be traced back to Charles Marsden a boyfriend of Julies friend.

Injustice Anywhere • View topic - Jeremy Bamber
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.ph ... l#msg29919 ... Idea of burning the house down can be traced back to Charles Marsden a boyfriend of Julies friend.

He must have felt extremely close to Charles to be so revealing; and perhaps thought he’d keep his mouth shut as he had something on him...it seems their trysts late at night was kept quiet...


That’s how manipulative narcissistic psychopaths work: they like to “have” something on you that would cause embarrassment in order to control you.
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #328 on: May 26, 2020, 11:43:08 PM »
Does anyone know why Charles Marsden wasn’t used as a witness at trial ?


I suspect Jeremy kept him low key...
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #329 on: May 26, 2020, 11:46:46 PM »
From Roger Wilkes book ‘Blood Relations’

If Bamber thought Charles Marsden was a liar why did he go to see him the day after the murders ?

More I think about it, the more I see where you’re coming from, Nicholas

Jeremy told police he used to be close to Charles but hadn’t been for some years...like he was putting them off the scent.

Had their friendship/relationship petered out, why, as you point out, did he drive to see him of all people on the afternoon of the murders?

Strange...
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