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Offline jassi

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #1245 on: June 09, 2020, 04:22:19 PM »
I and many others know that fact from the PJ files. They can't prove if he ever met MM without DNA evidence never mind abduct her.

Ha, I thought for a moment you meant cuddlecat had abducted Madeleine

Is there any evidence that cuddlecat ever met Madeleine?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Gertrude

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #1246 on: June 09, 2020, 04:25:06 PM »
It might next week when there might be more info

I don't see how. For police to know CB has details 'only a suspect' would know, means they must know how she was killed. This tabloid editor contradicts himself and then says they don't know.

'"They have an idea of how Madeleine McCann died - how the killing was actually done.

"But they do not know - and this is something they admit rather than a tactic - how the killing was actually done.

As far as I can see the guy is not a psychic looking into next week, so he's speculating.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #1247 on: June 09, 2020, 04:31:42 PM »
I agree with you there are certain possibilities such as those but, more than just those two. It is also possible the McCanns did lie about timing and the cadaver scent alerts correct but an abductor killed her.

  Smaller bodies can develop cadaver scent more quickly apparently.

I found this report of a podcast. From the Daily Star I know, so not a great source but interesting if this former judge agrees there is too little evidence to link Bruckner. I presume the podcast is German, so might be hard to track down.

"Dr Fischer, a former federal judge, said he did not believe German police had incontrovertible evidence she had been killed.

He said: "You don't know whether the child is dead or not.

"There are certain plausibilities that derive from criminal experience but which I think are spread with a certain unpleasant undertone also by the investigative authorities.

"If the public prosecutor knew more, they would say more."

Dr Fischer went on to say he was skeptical the case was about to be solved and unconvinced the police have enough evidence to prosecute.

"There is a clear evidence base, but no compelling evidence,” he said.

"It would be a mistake to commit yourself too early and to say that he was there, he has a criminal record, he doesn't say anything, he must have been."

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/breaking-german-prosecutor-madeleine-mccann-22159295

Edit - I found the original podcast, in German, so no idea how accurate the transcript above is.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.swr.de/swr2/leben-und-gesellschaft/podcast-sprechen-wir-ueber-mord-100.html&prev=search
Either you are suggesting it’s possible the abductor killed her and waited around for a bit to let the body develop cadaver odour or you’re suggesting he killed her, left her body there, the McCanns found it later, then hid it.  Neither seems very plausible to me, how about you?  The simplest explanation is that the dog alerts are irrelevant and should be dismissed once and for all - IMO.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #1248 on: June 09, 2020, 04:33:32 PM »
I don't see how. For police to know CB has details 'only a suspect' would know, means they must know how she was killed. This tabloid editor contradicts himself and then says they don't know.

'"They have an idea of how Madeleine McCann died - how the killing was actually done.

"But they do not know - and this is something they admit rather than a tactic - how the killing was actually done.

As far as I can see the guy is not a psychic looking into next week, so he's speculating.
If they can trace his young girlfriend for one.. She might have some information... We will see

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #1249 on: June 09, 2020, 04:36:39 PM »
Mr Wolters: "We suspect that he has done some more crimes against the British, American and Irish nationals."

Why only these nationals?
Maybe because they have unsolved sex attacks against individuals from these countries.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline pathfinder73

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #1250 on: June 09, 2020, 04:37:12 PM »
Either you are suggesting it’s possible the abductor killed her and waited around for a bit to let the body develop cadaver odour or you’re suggesting he killed her, left her body there, the McCanns found it later, then hid it.  Neither seems very plausible to me, how about you?  The simplest explanation is that the dog alerts are irrelevant and should be dismissed once and for all - IMO.

Only somebody that is scared would say that about evidence discovered at the crime scene. It doesn't matter what you and I think. That evidence should be re-tested because technology has advanced since 2007 and it is a requirement in any case!
« Last Edit: June 09, 2020, 04:40:24 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #1251 on: June 09, 2020, 04:38:56 PM »
That's a fantastic idea.

I always donate to worthy causes & I've got plenty of spare cash lying around since I've been in lockdown for 4 months.
I'll have to look that group up & offer this innocent man my full support. 8((()*/ 8@??)(
I really wouldn’t have expected any less from you tbh.  Birds of a feather and all that.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Gertrude

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #1252 on: June 09, 2020, 04:43:28 PM »
Either you are suggesting it’s possible the abductor killed her and waited around for a bit to let the body develop cadaver odour or you’re suggesting he killed her, left her body there, the McCanns found it later, then hid it.  Neither seems very plausible to me, how about you?  The simplest explanation is that the dog alerts are irrelevant and should be dismissed once and for all - IMO.

No. There are other possibilities. The McCanns could have lied or been mistaken about the timeline giving more time for a body to be in 5A and which also gave the abductor more time to carry out his crime.

 

Online Eleanor

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #1253 on: June 09, 2020, 04:46:15 PM »
No. There are other possibilities. The McCanns could have lied or been mistaken about the timeline giving more time for a body to be in 5A and which also gave the abductor more time to carry out his crime.

 

Not possible.  The times are proven.  8.30 pm to 10pm

Offline pathfinder73

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #1254 on: June 09, 2020, 04:47:07 PM »
Not at all, Mrs Fenn rubbished their regular checking hearing their daughter cry for 75 minutes. Plenty of time for death to happen.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #1255 on: June 09, 2020, 04:48:13 PM »
Only somebody that is scared would say that about evidence discovered at the crime scene. It doesn't matter what you and I think. That evidence should be re-tested because technology has advanced since 2007 and it is a requirement in any case!
Behave!   What do you think I am scared of, really?  I’m astounded you’re still banging the “parent dunnit” drum - it truly boggles the mind that people could be this much in denial.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Online Eleanor

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #1256 on: June 09, 2020, 04:48:19 PM »
Not at all, Mrs Fenn rubbished their regular checking hearing their daughter cry for 75 minutes. Plenty of time for death to happen.

But not for Cadaver Odour.

Offline VIXTE

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #1257 on: June 09, 2020, 04:48:46 PM »
Not at all, Mrs Fenn rubbished their regular checking hearing their daughter cry for 75 minutes. Plenty of time for death to happen.

Oh, please. Since when Mrs Fenn'a account is a fact and McCanns is not?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #1258 on: June 09, 2020, 04:49:50 PM »
No. There are other possibilities. The McCanns could have lied or been mistaken about the timeline giving more time for a body to be in 5A and which also gave the abductor more time to carry out his crime.

 
Hang on, you are therefore suggesting the criminal stayed with the dead body in the apartment for a considerable length of time before carrying it away?? 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #1259 on: June 09, 2020, 04:53:36 PM »
I don't remember him ever saying that, where?

"Hans Christian Wolters, a spokesperson for the Braunschweig public prosecutor’s office, said on Monday they have some evidence that Madeleine is dead but did not have enough for a trial.

Mr Wolters told Sky News: “The hard evidence we don’t have, we don’t have the crucial evidence of Madeleine McCann’s body.

“We expect that she is dead, but we don’t have enough evidence that we can get a warrant for our suspect in Germany for the murder of Madeleine McCann.''

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-06-08/german-prosecutors-have-some-evidence-madeleine-mccann-is-dead/

 The only evidence they have of a death is the alleged confession, which would explain why he said we 'expect she is dead'. expect !
Can I ask how you know what evidence of death the German police have?  Wolters said:

: “After all the information we got, the girl is dead. We have no information that she is alive. All indication we have got that I can’t tell you points in the direction that Madeleine is dead. We got things we cannot communicate that speak for the theory that Madeleine is dead, even if I have to admit that we don’t have the body.”
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".