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Offline Robittybob1

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #8430 on: October 13, 2020, 07:59:18 PM »
You are not looking after my butt...dont be disgusting

continue the conversation on your own....I want no further part
I think FF deserves an apology too.
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Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #8431 on: October 13, 2020, 08:01:12 PM »
Well you had better define what is an alibi.

However one cares to define it ... I don't think Bruechner has one.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #8432 on: October 13, 2020, 08:01:44 PM »
Rigour (UK) or rigor (US) describes a condition of stiffness or strictness. Rigour frequently refers to a process of adhering absolutely to certain constraints, or the practice of maintaining strict consistency with certain predefined parameters.
Wikipedia
Last time I looked we were in the UK, as is the General who is from Liverpool, where the word rigor means something different, as I demonstrated.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #8433 on: October 13, 2020, 08:02:12 PM »
I think FF deserves an apology too.


I think I do...message on its way to John

Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #8434 on: October 13, 2020, 08:15:35 PM »
While an alibi would be helpful, it is for the prosecution to prove he was in 5A, not for Brueckner to prove that he wasn't.
If CB cannot explain where he was the court can draw a negative inference and it becomes part of the circumstantial evidence

Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #8435 on: October 13, 2020, 08:17:16 PM »
The PJ files contain this re. Russians.

Thanks Anthro.

Snip
Email to Portimao DIC

From: M.J. Mestre

Sent: Saturday 19th May 2007, 19.46

To: Portimao DIC

 
Subject: Madeleine

 
My daughter, assistant at Faro airport, told me that a colleague of hers, two or three days after Madeleine’s disappearance, told her that two Russians embarked, accompanied by a girl similar in appearance to Madeleine, whose child passport was hand written, which she found strange. It should be noted that at this time there were already photographs of the girl up in the airport, but they were all black and white.

With compliments

M.J: Mestre

 
Handwritten on email:

 
Information

 - Barroso contact airport

- The flight was to Dublin

- Check arrival and departure lists
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGAL_SIGHTINGS.htm


I wonder if the information was checked out as advised in the handwritten note.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Robittybob1

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #8436 on: October 13, 2020, 08:22:02 PM »

I think I do...message on its way to John
It was you who implied FF was the bottom of the barrel.  It should be you getting a letter from John.

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Offline Anthro

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #8437 on: October 13, 2020, 08:27:20 PM »
Thanks Anthro.

Snip
Email to Portimao DIC

From: M.J. Mestre

Sent: Saturday 19th May 2007, 19.46

To: Portimao DIC

 
Subject: Madeleine

 
My daughter, assistant at Faro airport, told me that a colleague of hers, two or three days after Madeleine’s disappearance, told her that two Russians embarked, accompanied by a girl similar in appearance to Madeleine, whose child passport was hand written, which she found strange. It should be noted that at this time there were already photographs of the girl up in the airport, but they were all black and white.

With compliments

M.J: Mestre

 
Handwritten on email:

 
Information

 - Barroso contact airport

- The flight was to Dublin

- Check arrival and departure lists
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGAL_SIGHTINGS.htm


I wonder if the information was checked out as advised in the handwritten note.
Yes Brietta, I also wonder if it was checked. The handwritten passport seems to be not the norm.

Offline Anthro

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #8438 on: October 13, 2020, 08:33:12 PM »
While an alibi would be helpful, it is for the prosecution to prove he was in 5A, not for Brueckner to prove that he wasn't.
Indeed. However, the prosecution does not have to prove that Brückner was in the apartment. According to Wolters there is evidence associating Madeleine with Brückner. Madeleine might have been lifted from her bed by someone else who might have handed her to Brückner. My opinion.

Offline G-Unit

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #8439 on: October 13, 2020, 08:35:49 PM »
And how does that support Eleanor's statement "If Brueckner's Lawyer is relying on PJ Evidence of the time then he is on a very sticky wicket."

Weren't witness statements and the time available for an abduction mentioned? It sounds to me as if he is talking about checks on the children and the gaps between them, as recounted by the McCanns and their friends. That evidence was collected by the PJ but not influenced by them. The 30 minute gaps between checks on the McCann children make it sound like there was ample time for an abduction, but there were others passing the apartment which means it was under observation more frequently.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #8440 on: October 13, 2020, 08:40:23 PM »
Weren't witness statements and the time available for an abduction mentioned? It sounds to me as if he is talking about checks on the children and the gaps between them, as recounted by the McCanns and their friends. That evidence was collected by the PJ but not influenced by them. The 30 minute gaps between checks on the McCann children make it sound like there was ample time for an abduction, but there were others passing the apartment which means it was under observation more frequently.
There was ample time for an abduction imo.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline jassi

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #8441 on: October 13, 2020, 08:45:55 PM »
Indeed. However, the prosecution does not have to prove that Brückner was in the apartment. According to Wolters there is evidence associating Madeleine with Brückner. Madeleine might have been lifted from her bed by someone else who might have handed her to Brückner. My opinion.

Ok, in which case they would have to prove all of that too.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #8442 on: October 13, 2020, 08:50:50 PM »
Yes Brietta, I also wonder if it was checked. The handwritten passport seems to be not the norm.

I am interested in the reaction of the employee who didn't act on a situation she found suspicious but only gossiped about it to a colleague many days later.

The initial witness who despite the fact that the McCann friends (I make that presumption because it does not appear to be a Judicial police 'thing') had put posters up in the airport, did not report the little girl to security despite finding the situation 'strange'.

If the men accompanying the child had not been allowed to board ~ or if they had been met at Dublin airport ~ it could have been determined whether or not the little girl was Madeleine.
I shudder at the thought it could have been her and if so she could have been returned to her family within days.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Myster

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #8443 on: October 14, 2020, 05:39:03 AM »
A slightly updated version of "60 Minutes Australia - The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvqu9Wd388c

with Sandra F. having the last word... https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=2493
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #8444 on: October 14, 2020, 08:53:22 AM »
A slightly updated version of "60 Minutes Australia - The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvqu9Wd388c

with Sandra F. having the last word... https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=2493
"If innocence has a face then surely it is Madeleine McCann's"  But the face on the video is not Madeleine McCann IMO.   So many of the features is not the Madeleine I know.    Something is not right.
https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=10 - https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=16
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