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Offline Miss Taken Identity

How about using finger nail clippings? And, before you mock  - Dr Vass worked with Martin Grime on the FBI cadaver dog programme & gave evidence at the Casey Anthony trial. He clearly spotted a gap in the market.. 8(0(*
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Misty,
I am not mocking the request of DNA samples from Madeleine , just the fact that two doctors believed in this mumbo jumbo! AND believing she was dead. before changing their minds, about her coming to no harm.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Was he the poor woman's only option?
I'm really not sure what point you are trying to make.  Kate phoned Paiva, upset because she had a dream about Madeleine and wanted him to (presumably) assure her that they were looking for her and would take her dream seriously as some sort of premonition.  And for this she is being mocked by you why exactly? 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

We know where Kate and Gerry were for almost every minute of every day for several months after Madeleine's disappearance.



Do “we”??
Perhaps then you can share what was the purpose of that detour on July 26th and the sudden flurry of visits to that area. Should be easy for you if we can account for every minute .

Offline G-Unit

How about using finger nail clippings? And, before you mock  - Dr Vass worked with Martin Grime on the FBI cadaver dog programme & gave evidence at the Casey Anthony trial. He clearly spotted a gap in the market.. 8(0(*
http://forensicrecoveryservices.org/breakthrough/

Are you sure he worked with the FBI?
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Offline misty

Do “we”??
Perhaps then you can share what was the purpose of that detour on July 26th and the sudden flurry of visits to that area. Should be easy for you if we can account for every minute .

Is there a particular reason why you've focused on the pings of 26th July rather than earlier T9 phone pings on the Budens mast?

Offline misty

Are you sure he worked with the FBI?

If you Goggle FBI + Arpad Vass + Martin Grime you should find details of his input to the cadaver dog programme.

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Is there a particular reason why you've focused on the pings of 26th July rather than earlier T9 phone pings on the Budens mast?

No - not really only because of the out of the way detour.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

No, you are correct.  Phones had been invented and were in use by the couple on  many other occasions.

My husband and I travel abroad with our work,sometime in different time zones, we still call if we need some comfort or to inform of important events- death of family member as example.  Kate also had supportive parents. Gerry didn't seem too impressed that Kate did this so went onto deny it, on her behalf...
He denied she said she dreamt Madeleine was buried on a hill, that is all.  As for the rest perhaps Kate called a relative first who suggested she contact Paiva, or perhaps as it was presumably night time (having just woken from a dream) she didn't want to disturb family members who may have been sleeping themselves or perhaps she felt too embarrassed to share her dream with them, and thought a policeman would be more discreet and less judgemental (not that he was either of those things as it turned out!)
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Offline G-Unit

If you Goggle FBI + Arpad Vass + Martin Grime you should find details of his input to the cadaver dog programme.

Was he working with Grime? Did they meet?
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Offline Eleanor

He denied she said she dreamt Madeleine was buried on a hill, that is all.  As for the rest perhaps Kate called a relative first who suggested she contact Paiva, or perhaps as it was presumably night time (having just woken from a dream) she didn't want to disturb family members who may have been sleeping themselves or perhaps she felt too embarrassed to share her dream with them, and thought a policeman would be more discreet and less judgemental (not that he was either of those things as it turned out!)

Where is Paiva now?  Did I read somewhere that he had been moved sideways?

Offline Miss Taken Identity

He denied she said she dreamt Madeleine was buried on a hill, that is all.  As for the rest perhaps Kate called a relative first who suggested she contact Paiva, or perhaps as it was presumably night time (having just woken from a dream) she didn't want to disturb family members who may have been sleeping themselves or perhaps she felt too embarrassed to share her dream with them, and thought a policeman would be more discreet and less judgemental (not that he was either of those things as it turned out!)

OK. Let's do this. he was playing on words- second hand from Kate.

Kate did not say MBM was buried on a hill.Paiva assumed this by the conversation- Kate said her dream was that MBM was on a hill and asked Paiva to search there. NOW why did Gerry not explain what Kate actually meant if Paiva misunderstood.

Search on top of a hill- which hill? why  should we look for a live or dead child? what is she wearing?

You see where I am coming  from. no one is mocking Kate. We are just discussing conversations which are important and the denials being pushed to protect  Parents reputations.
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Offline Brietta

Do “we”??
Perhaps then you can share what was the purpose of that detour on July 26th and the sudden flurry of visits to that area. Should be easy for you if we can account for every minute .

It was the Policia Judiciaria who had them under surveillance ... the record is there in the files for all to see.

I cannot envisage that having gone to that trouble the question would not have been asked ... but then again this is Amaral's investigation we are talking about.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

It was the Policia Judiciaria who had them under surveillance ... the record is there in the files for all to see.

I cannot envisage that having gone to that trouble the question would not have been asked ... but then again this is Amaral's investigation we are talking about.

I think Amaral was long gone in June 2008 when Inspector Paul Dias of the DCIPT in Lisbon produced his report.
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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

It was the Policia Judiciaria who had them under surveillance ... the record is there in the files for all to see.

I cannot envisage that having gone to that trouble the question would not have been asked ... but then again this is Amaral's investigation we are talking about.

Can you send a link to where in the files it describes what GM did on July 26th when he made that detour? Thank you.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

OK. Let's do this. he was playing on words- second hand from Kate.

Kate did not say MBM was buried on a hill.Paiva assumed this by the conversation- Kate said her dream was that MBM was on a hill and asked Paiva to search there. NOW why did Gerry not explain what Kate actually meant if Paiva misunderstood.

Search on top of a hill- which hill? why  should we look for a live or dead child? what is she wearing?

You see where I am coming  from. no one is mocking Kate. We are just discussing conversations which are important and the denials being pushed to protect  Parents reputations.
It was a DREAM.  By their nature they are imprecise.  The dream upset her.  I think that’s understandable.  Perhaps it’s fair to say that calling a policeman in a state about a dream is irrational behaviour but I don’t see why it should be used as either a) a stick to beat her or b) as evidence that she knew where the body was.
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