The anti McCanns are starting to call the UK Justice Forum a Pro site

[registrar]

Of course I disagree - my pointless thread was just to show how easy it is to start pointless threads (but it was actually more factual than most threads on here)

hideho's videos promoted on forums is not pointless - there was a reason for that - to deceive
.

I'm afraid you give Heidi way too much credit

a) she has clearly too much time on her hands
b) and quite likes to see a mention on the boards

She never produced anything of substance and/or insight

all fluff - and sentimental music 

she's from the sparkly angels/teddy bear brigade
- reason and logic just annoy Heidi 

[gilet]

I only feel aggrieved that there are so many deluded people out there. But then you lot feel the same way about those of us that don't eat the crap that the McCanns and friends feed us so we're even there.

I genuinely find it staggering that people can believe the "version according to the McCanns". I'm not saying that to be sensationalist or argumentative, it just beggars my belief that there are grown adults out there who can tie their own shoelaces that actually excuse the mountain of evidence against them.  You all rationalise it by treating it as "perfectly natural" that they'd have discrepancies or think it's perfectly normal for people to go deleting their call records and text (oh yeah, because YOUR phone demands that you delete these records every 30 seconds or an important call or text won't get through!  Your lack of technical knowledge on how phones and networks work is laughable).

Like I say, I'm looking forward to the crumbling of your rosy world brick by brick and I really find it interesting to consider how you'll start responding as the cracks appear.  I ought to make a "sealed envelope" prediction :-)

When you post diatribes like the above you mock yourself.

There was no mountain of evidence.

In fact there was no evidence of any crime by the McCanns.

Not a single indication.

Don't take my word for it.

Read what the man who had seen all the evidence unlike you said.

Therefore, after all seen, analysed and duly pondered, with all that is left exposed, it is determined:
 
a) The archiving of the Process concerning arguido Robert James Queriol Eveleigh Murat, because there are no indications of the practise of any crime under the dispositions of article 277 number 1 of the Penal Process Code;
 
b) The archiving of the Process concerning arguidos Gerald Patrick McCann and Kate Marie Healy, because there are no indications of the practise of any crime under the dispositions of article 277 number 1 of the Penal Process Code.

Processo 201/07.0 GALGS - Volume XVII - pages 4639-4649

[debunker]

I only feel aggrieved that there are so many deluded people out there. But then you lot feel the same way about those of us that don't eat the crap that the McCanns and friends feed us so we're even there.

I genuinely find it staggering that people can believe the "version according to the McCanns". I'm not saying that to be sensationalist or argumentative, it just beggars my belief that there are grown adults out there who can tie their own shoelaces that actually excuse the mountain of evidence against them.  You all rationalise it by treating it as "perfectly natural" that they'd have discrepancies or think it's perfectly normal for people to go deleting their call records and text (oh yeah, because YOUR phone demands that you delete these records every 30 seconds or an important call or text won't get through!  Your lack of technical knowledge on how phones and networks work is laughable).

Like I say, I'm looking forward to the crumbling of your rosy world brick by brick and I really find it interesting to consider how you'll start
responding as the cracks appear.  I ought to make a "sealed envelope" prediction :-)

Unlike you, I am neutral. You take the position that the McCanns are necessarily lying and guilty of some undefined criminality. Some Pros insist that the McCanns are proved to be innocent.

I believe neither- I am happy to see any future evidence sway the matter any way, child harm by the McCann, abduction, or woke and wondered. I don't particularly warm to the McCanns and consider their leaving toddlers alone to be reprehensible.

I am concerned about the McCann's rights under the law to privacy and to fight defamation. My reaction to the crazier [ censored word ]s comes from this point of view..

[stephen25000]

Of course I disagree - my pointless thread was just to show how easy it is to start pointless threads (but it was actually more factual than most threads on here)

hideho's videos promoted on forums is not pointless - there was a reason for that - to deceive
.

The implicit  nastiness comes from posters pretending to be reasonable and open for debate like yourself, when in actuality only listening to those with the same views.

[debunker]

Of course I disagree - my pointless thread was just to show how easy it is to start pointless threads (but it was actually more factual than most threads on here)

hideho's videos promoted on forums is not pointless - there was a reason for that - to deceive
.

The implicit  nastiness comes from posters pretending to be reasonable and open for debate like yourself, when in actuality only listening to those with the same views.

So people like you who use outright abuse and ad hominem attacks are acceptable but trying to engage in factual debate is disruptive.

[icabodcrane]

I only feel aggrieved that there are so many deluded people out there. But then you lot feel the same way about those of us that don't eat the crap that the McCanns and friends feed us so we're even there.

I genuinely find it staggering that people can believe the "version according to the McCanns". I'm not saying that to be sensationalist or argumentative, it just beggars my belief that there are grown adults out there who can tie their own shoelaces that actually excuse the mountain of evidence against them.  You all rationalise it by treating it as "perfectly natural" that they'd have discrepancies or think it's perfectly normal for people to go deleting their call records and text (oh yeah, because YOUR phone demands that you delete these records every 30 seconds or an important call or text won't get through!  Your lack of technical knowledge on how phones and networks work is laughable).

Like I say, I'm looking forward to the crumbling of your rosy world brick by brick and I really find it interesting to consider how you'll start
responding as the cracks appear.  I ought to make a "sealed envelope" prediction :-)

Unlike you, I am neutral. You take the position that the McCanns are necessarily lying and guilty of some undefined criminality. Some Pros insist that the McCanns are proved to be innocent.

I believe neither- I am happy to see any future evidence sway the matter any way, child harm by the McCann, abduction, or woke and wondered. I don't particularly warm to the McCanns and consider their leaving toddlers alone to be reprehensible.

I am concerned about the McCann's rights under the law to privacy and to fight defamation. My reaction to the crazier [ censored word ]s comes from this point of view..

I think your labeling of those who question the McCanns as  '[ censored word ]s'  belies your claim to neutrality

In fact,  it just the sort of ad hominem attack  you profess to dislike

[John]

It seems that the two issues have been morphed over time where genuine concern by many people over the leaving of three young children alone in a bedroom of a foreign apartment has degenerated into something entirely different and indeed sinister.

[debunker]

It seems that the two issues have been morphed over time where genuine concern by many people over the leaving of three young children alone in a bedroom of a foreign apartment has degenerated into something entirely different and indeed sinister.

I have been clear from Day One. I was unconcerned for the McCanns or ev e n for Madeleine- far worse atrocties occurred before and have occurred since.

WHat has always offended me is a bunch of people either ill educated or just perverse getting their jollies by hate-mongering on the internet.

[John]

It seems that the two issues have been morphed over time where genuine concern by many people over the leaving of three young children alone in a bedroom of a foreign apartment has degenerated into something entirely different and indeed sinister.

I have been clear from Day One. I was unconcerned for the McCanns or ev e n for Madeleine- far worse atrocties occurred before and have occurred since.

WHat has always offended me is a bunch of people either ill educated or just perverse getting their jollies by hate-mongering on the internet.

Indeed, there are few of that variety on twitter today.  They lose the argument so resort to bullying tactics.   

[faithlilly]

It seems that the two issues have been morphed over time where genuine concern by many people over the leaving of three young children alone in a bedroom of a foreign apartment has degenerated into something entirely different and indeed sinister.

I have been clear from Day One. I was unconcerned for the McCanns or ev e n for Madeleine- far worse atrocties occurred before and have occurred since.

WHat has always offended me is a bunch of people either ill educated or just perverse getting their jollies by hate-mongering on the internet.

Pull the other one bedbunker, it has bells on 

[debunker]

It seems that the two issues have been morphed over time where genuine concern by many people over the leaving of three young children alone in a bedroom of a foreign apartment has degenerated into something entirely different and indeed sinister.

I have been clear from Day One. I was unconcerned for the McCanns or ev e n for Madeleine- far worse atrocties occurred before and have occurred since.

WHat has always offended me is a bunch of people either ill educated or just perverse getting their jollies by hate-mongering on the internet.

Pull the other one bedbunker, it has bells on 

Listen fishyvadge, leave my handle alone.

ONce again you are asuming. Talk with Eleanor who will confirm that I have always been an awkw HRD bedfellow for the pros and have been banned from STM and .....2 for hav ing the wrong views.

[Eleanor]

Yep, me too.  But I don't fall out with him or insult him.  Thats the difference, you see.

[debunker]

Yup Bedbunker has been a right royal pain in t'ar.. (at times) to both sides in this long-running debate, and has consistently claimed to dislike the McCanns and their childcare arrangements, pretty much from when I first encountered him nearly 6 years ago. 

You don't mind if I call you Bedbunker do you, Deb? ;-)

FIne if youare not doing it to intimidate like fishyvadge

[debunker]

Yep, me too.  But I don't fall out with him or insult him.  Thats the difference, you see.

Il est un animal dangereux, mordu, il mord retour

[debunker]

Yup Bedbunker has been a right royal pain in t'ar.. (at times) to both sides in this long-running debate, and has consistently claimed to dislike the McCanns and their childcare arrangements, pretty much from when I first encountered him nearly 6 years ago. 

You don't mind if I call you Bedbunker do you, Deb? ;-)

I wondered if you liked Television- listening, not watching.