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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1755 on: February 15, 2023, 10:15:51 AM »
Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland Each of the searchers - Luke, SK and AW went down in the direction of Jodi's body alone, so there was no-one else to see what they said, did, or saw


More bare faced lies

Steven climbed over the wall to join Mitchell who pointed and said: 'Down there, 5ft out from the wall.”

Mr Kelly said he climbed over the wall to join Mr Mitchell, who pointed down the inside of the wall and said: "Down there, 5ft out from the wall."
The witness said he thought he could "see something", believing it at first to be a log.
Prosecuting advocate depute Alan Turnbull QC asked: "Did you come to realise there was a body there?"
Mr Kelly replied: "When I got a bit closer, yes."
The witness paused, before adding that he then "peered round a tree".


Killer Luke Mitchell was also still over the wall when Alive Walker went over

”Luke went over first and said there was something here, " she (Alice Walker) said.

Mrs Walker told the court that Mr Kelly was next over the wall and she thought he was being sick. "He came back in a state, " she said.

The grandmother added: "I tried to climb across but I couldn't make it. Steven came and helped me. Luke helped me down on the other side

She said as they made their way along the other side of the wall she saw a "light-coloured shape"which turned out to be Jodi's body."

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Offline Parky41

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1756 on: February 15, 2023, 12:26:26 PM »
A text or call from Judith obviously prompted Alice to contact Yvonne

But Sandra Lean won’t have included ALL the facts needed for the sequence to ‘make sense’


Indeed - AW from statements, and highlighted before around this fiasco, said clearly of calling her granddaughter YW most nights around 10pm. That after speaking with JuJ's, after the police being called, she AGAIN called YW, which is the call referred re JF and so forth.

Lets just highlight something else, forensic reports in a mess = Room to manipulate.
Phone logs incomplete and missing = Room to manipulate.
Statements incomplete, not included = Room to manipulate.

Statements, the application of some must be missing, phone logs incomplete and can't match statements to them - Forensic reports in a mess, can't match the correct sample to the correct report. - Statements, they say this, but there is nothing in the defence papers to back up what is being said, as the defence papers do NOT include everything.

JF said he saw the search party leave the house of AW just after speaking with YW on the phone. Applied by Lean, that they 'walked past YW's whilst heading directly to the path without stopping to check if Jodi was there, why not? Above, that YW had just been spoken to, called, as were others to make those checks. Applied again, that there are incomplete records so it would "appear" no one was called - Manipulated to hell.

YW, as Lean knows fine well, stays in a top flat, the street this is situated on looks down to the junction of the street that AW stays on. The house of AW sits on the junction between both streets, her house seen from the top floor flat where YW stays. She knew why if he saw them leave, then reason why he could see them. - Manipulated to hell. SF's does the exact same, he actually has the search trio walking around 3mls - Off the scale of all things rational.

So again Nicholas you are bang on with "What the hell is wrong with these people?" By not given context, by lying constantly by omission, leaves this obtuse narrative of utter bollocks. It does what it says on the tin, focus at all times upon these others.

The aunts, the statements say that AW had called her eldest daughter, to Lean, and no idea how they got to the path, how, why or when! It says why in the statements, but again, applies that the phone logs do not match statements. - Where anyone with the tiniest bit of actual sense would know the following. - There was no telepathy, there was a defence who carried out vital precognitions, there was a defence who had access to far more than these enablers have ever had. Not included in defence papers is simply that, not included. But above all, IF this is even true at all, because and again, it is so hard to grasp actual truth at any time when you know these people are manipulating, wilfully misleading, lying by omission, and on repeat blatantly lying.

For years it was put out that SK was only alibied by his girlfriend JaJ's - She was lying and I pulled her up for lying, again. She said that she had not seen the physical copy of his fathers statement. I pointed out she had their statements, she in turn said, but he was not alibied anyway until statement X!

Back to the above, when pointed out she was lying about the search trio walking past YW's she said, it does not matter, that the only thing that mattered was her point, which was, the house was close, they should have went there to check. To the above again, the phone calls, they HAD checked!

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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1757 on: February 15, 2023, 01:35:59 PM »
Indeed - AW from statements, and highlighted before around this fiasco, said clearly of calling her granddaughter YW most nights around 10pm.

Sandra Lean also claimed she does not have all the evidence around telephone calls/text

See copy of Facebook post by Ana Azalia here
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Never-ending Lies From Compulsive Liar Corinne Mitchell (Part 84)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/25/killer-luke-mitchell-neverending-lies-from-compulsive-liar-corinne-mitchell-part-84/
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1758 on: February 15, 2023, 01:51:21 PM »
Lets just highlight something else, forensic reports in a mess = Room to manipulate.

‘Room to manipulate’? - she won’t be able to manipulate the forensic reports for the SCCRC/or any appeal

And the forensic reports won’t have been made and passed on to the police/lawyers ‘in a mess’

Plus the lawyers involved in the trial would have needed to have understood the contents contained in each and every report (to the best of their ability) - Which we know Sandra Lean did not understand from her posts on the Bamber forum, and elsewhere

And if the ‘forensic reports were in a mess’ Donald Findlay (or someone else) would have highlighted this during the trial - this did not happen

This - ‘forensic reports in a mess’ - reads/sounds like yet more of Sandra Lean’s projections
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1759 on: February 15, 2023, 02:08:34 PM »

JF said he saw the search party leave the house of AW just after speaking with YW on the phone. Applied by Lean, that they 'walked past YW's whilst heading directly to the path without stopping to check if Jodi was there, why not? Above, that YW had just been spoken to, called, as were others to make those checks. Applied again, that there are incomplete records so it would "appear" no one was called - Manipulated to hell.

YW, as Lean knows fine well, stays in a top flat, the street this is situated on looks down to the junction of the street that AW stays on. The house of AW sits on the junction between both streets, her house seen from the top floor flat where YW stays. She knew why if he saw them leave, then reason why he could see them. - Manipulated to hell. SF's does the exact same, he actually has the search trio walking around 3mls - Off the scale of all things rational.

So again Nicholas you are bang on with "What the hell is wrong with these people?" By not given context, by lying constantly by omission, leaves this obtuse narrative of utter bollocks. It does what it says on the tin, focus at all times upon these others.

There are a phenomenal amount of times Sandra Lean has taken things out of context (which is a classic innocence fraud tactic)

Like in her video here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iCsiViNiPGA for example, where she appears to attempt to gaslight Janine Jones with her condescending comments 🙄 about Janine’s alleged comment when being asked why the ‘search trio’ went to the path

‘we just did’

This 👆🏽is out of context

Alice Walker wanted to search the path because she ‘knew it had been a meeting point between Jodi and Mr Mitchell’.

Part of Alice Walker’s evidence was;

'The only place I could think to go was the path because that was the last place Jodi was going

‘As we were walking down the path, Judith (Jodi's mum) either texted or phoned to say Luke was at the other end of the path and was going to meet up with us.’


It’s obvious from the above there had been previous communication between Judith Jones and her mother Alice Walker


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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1760 on: February 15, 2023, 02:20:42 PM »
The aunts, the statements say that AW had called her eldest daughter, to Lean, and no idea how they got to the path, how, why or when! It says why in the statements, but again, applies that the phone logs do not match statements. - Where anyone with the tiniest bit of actual sense would know the following. - There was no telepathy, there was a defence who carried out vital precognitions, there was a defence who had access to far more than these enablers have ever had. Not included in defence papers is simply that, not included. But above all, IF this is even true at all, because and again, it is so hard to grasp actual truth at any time when you know these people are manipulating, wilfully misleading, lying by omission, and on repeat blatantly lying.

Sandra Lean
Why so much focus on push bikes?
Well, it turns out that JuJ told police Luke had told her on the phone, just before 11pm, that he was at the Newbattle entrance to the path and was coming up on his bike. What he actually said was he was coming up with his dog.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386893.html?PHPSESSID=fmp59opptqm0po3vldifbhb686#msg386893

Killer Luke Mitchell is a gaslighter

I’m of the view he initially did tell Judith Jones he was ‘on his bike’ and strongly suspect Sandra has again taken what Judith told police out of context

He deleted his entire phone history - which included the text message from Judith which said,

"2 wks grounding toad . . . Say bye 2 luke".

Killer Luke Mitchell pathologically lied to the police (including not telling them about his relationship with Kimberly Thompson - among numerous other things) and if that text hadn’t been retrieved by David Morris it’s very probable he (killer Luke) would have denied its contents

‘just before 11pm’ could apply to any one of the phone calls between Judith Jones and the killer before he met with the ‘search trio’

I think he slipped up when he first told Judith he was ‘on his bike’
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1761 on: February 15, 2023, 02:53:45 PM »
For years it was put out that SK was only alibied by his girlfriend JaJ's - She was lying and I pulled her up for lying, again. She said that she had not seen the physical copy of his fathers statement. I pointed out she had their statements, she in turn said, but he was not alibied anyway until statement X!

Back to the above, when pointed out she was lying about the search trio walking past YW's she said, it does not matter, that the only thing that mattered was her point, which was, the house was close, they should have went there to check. To the above again, the phone calls, they HAD checked!

Sandra Lean and her ‘crazy making’ behaviour go hand in hand

Crazy-Making An emotional abuser's tool
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/traversing-the-inner-terrain/201910/crazy-making
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1762 on: February 15, 2023, 03:05:43 PM »
 *&^^&

Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland Each of the searchers - Luke, SK and AW went down in the direction of Jodi's body alone, so there was no-one else to see what they said, did, or saw (I mention "saw" because nobody, other than Luke, can say what he saw, since he was the first to go down, and, we now know that there's a possibility the gran moved Jodi to the position she was in when the police arrived. That would, of course, have been different to the position Luke originally saw her in.)
There's very little detail in the statements about what happened behind the wall - the police were more interested in checking what could be seen from specific distances (to try to claim Luke couldn't have seen Jodi from where he said he did).
A couple of things I found interesting - the gran described what she saw as "like a lump of meat on a butcher's slab" and said that, after she came back over the wall she was "stomping up and down" saying, over and over again, "It's a mess. It's a mess."

Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland That was the first thing that came into my mind when I read it. Also, "It's a mess" - she didn't even refer to Jodi by name, or as "the bairn" or any term of endearment whatsoever. It's a mess. What is the "it" that was a mess? I cannot bring myself to believe she was actually referring to Jodi as "it," which leaves me wondering what the "it" does refer to?
I know none of us could say what we would do in those circumstances, but those two phrases really stand out to me as both disturbing and deeply disrespectful.

 *&^^&

The above should be ringing alarms bells and waking people up to the level of depravity involved in Sandra Lean’s innocence fraud

Alice Walker 👇

I tried to climb across but I couldn't make it. Steven came and helped me. Luke helped me down on the other side."

She said as they made their way along the other side of the wall she saw a "light-coloured shape"which turned out to be Jodi's body.

Jodi was lying face-up with her eyes open and had a mark on her neck.

Mrs Walker said: "I can't remember screaming.

"I did go closer up to Jodi and touched her forehead and I went back to the wall again, " she added.


Janine Jones 👇

She went on: "I heard my grandmother scream and I started screaming. I assumed that Jodi was there.

"My gran came back over to the path. She was a mess. She said she didn't know if it was Jodi but she was shocked.

"The only time Luke showed any emotion was when he was on the phone talking to the police and we were shouting at him. He then started to raise his voice."


Based on Janine Jones statements above it appears Alice Walker was quite obviously in extreme shock

Janine Jones indicated that her grandmother ‘didn’t know if it was Jodi’

There is nothing in any media reports explaining whether or not this was explored in any more details as far as I can tell

And it’s very possible that Alice Walker didn’t want to upset her granddaughter Janine by confirming with her it was Jodi

But if, in Alice Walkers extremely shocked state, it hadn’t registered with her it was her beloved granddaughter Jodi - the fact she touched this young child’s forehead is telling

And far removed from anything as sick and twisted, cruel and callous Sandra Lean has attempted to portray Alice Walker to have been
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1763 on: February 15, 2023, 03:36:12 PM »
According to liar Sandra Lean they only use initials on their Facebook group so as not to do to others what was done to actual, factual psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell

 *&^^&

Jacqueline Johnston
Mandy Deighan Scott Forbes in the last podcast with James English addresses the awnser to those questions. It was a sustained & frenzied attack by someone very disturbed. Medical records were sent to Lukes original defence team, which had not been requested. Therefore never came up in the original trial.The medical records relate to  The person referred to as stocky man & named as the person that Scott Forbes named as who he believes murdered Jodie. He goes into detail of the information contained in these medical records, very disturbing. He had been detained previously under the mental health act, for violence against his mother Jodie & her sister. He was a very dangerous & violent individual. All this was known to the police at the time. Their was never any suggestion that Luke nor any of his family had any mental health Issues prior to the time of Jodies murder.


 *&^^&

There was (and is) a wealth of evidence that Luke Mitchell was (and is) a dangerous and violent psychopath


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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1764 on: February 15, 2023, 03:53:52 PM »
Around 15 hours ago someone called Danny Kelly posted on the Facebook group Sandra Lean is the admin on with a link to some rap he’s written. The Facebook post has been commented on 68 times

Over on one of the other Facebook groups George Fergie has posted the following;

George Fergie
Guys Danny kelly rapper has dropped a song about Luke and Jodi
It appears maybe a bit offensive to some so we won’t post it on here but my own account is open feel free to hit my name and watch the video on my timeline 👍💯


Don’t know if this is the same Danny/Daniel Kelly https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/man-sentenced-18-months-following-5370875

https://www.clydebankpost.co.uk/news/13940156.teenage-knife-thug-and-his-friend-held-up-two-stores/

 *&^^&

Rachel Roll
Danny Kelly Wow! Well done packing so much info into this and keeping the flow! 👊🔥

Ana Azaria
Your rhyming skills are impressive - and you clearly know your facts. Top job!

Jacqueline Johnston
Danny Kelly absolutely fantastic! This is the way to move forward! I'll be sharing this everywhere ... what a talent xxxx


Allegedly Danny Kelly has schizophrenia   

Isn’t this what these hypocrites have alleged [Name removed]’s had?
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Offline faithlilly

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1765 on: February 15, 2023, 05:00:23 PM »
A text or call from Judith obviously prompted Alice to contact Yvonne

But Sandra Lean won’t have included ALL the facts needed for the sequence to ‘make sense’

AW called Yvonne just after 10pm ( when Jodi was not known to be missing ) not Judith as you seemed to indicate.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Kenmair

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1766 on: February 15, 2023, 05:10:57 PM »
Around 15 hours ago someone called Danny Kelly posted on the Facebook group Sandra Lean is the admin on with a link to some rap he’s written. The Facebook post has been commented on 68 times

Over on one of the other Facebook groups George Fergie has posted the following;

George Fergie
Guys Danny kelly rapper has dropped a song about Luke and Jodi
It appears maybe a bit offensive to some so we won’t post it on here but my own account is open feel free to hit my name and watch the video on my timeline 👍💯


Don’t know if this is the same Danny/Daniel Kelly https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/man-sentenced-18-months-following-5370875

https://www.clydebankpost.co.uk/news/13940156.teenage-knife-thug-and-his-friend-held-up-two-stores/

 *&^^&

Rachel Roll
Danny Kelly Wow! Well done packing so much info into this and keeping the flow! 👊🔥

Ana Azaria
Your rhyming skills are impressive - and you clearly know your facts. Top job!

Jacqueline Johnston
Danny Kelly absolutely fantastic! This is the way to move forward! I'll be sharing this everywhere ... what a talent xxxx


Allegedly Danny Kelly has schizophrenia   

Isn’t this what these hypocrites have alleged [Name removed]’s had?

Yes that's him. Another armed robber/ex-con/homophobe that's been welcomed into their cult. This thug raps/boasts about stabbing people and wanting to emulate Dale Creagan & Raoul Moat and kill cops.

Rapping on the RD path while bragging about stabbing people in his other videos. You couldnae make it up. Even Forbes wouldnt stoop this low.

Offline Myster

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1767 on: February 15, 2023, 06:08:35 PM »
Yes that's him. Another armed robber/ex-con/homophobe that's been welcomed into their cult. This thug raps/boasts about stabbing people and wanting to emulate Dale Creagan & Raoul Moat and kill cops.

Rapping on the RD path while bragging about stabbing people in his other videos. You couldnae make it up. Even Forbes wouldnt stoop this low.
Can't understand a bloody word, thank god... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKrQDxuC85o
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1768 on: February 15, 2023, 09:39:53 PM »
Yes that's him. Another armed robber/ex-con/homophobe that's been welcomed into their cult.

According to liar Sandra Lean they only use initials on their Facebook group so as not to do to others what was done to actual, factual psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell

 *&^^&

Jacqueline Johnston
Mandy Deighan Scott Forbes in the last podcast with James English addresses the awnser to those questions. It was a sustained & frenzied attack by someone very disturbed. Medical records were sent to Lukes original defence team, which had not been requested. Therefore never came up in the original trial.The medical records relate to  The person referred to as stocky man & named as the person that Scott Forbes named as who he believes murdered Jodie. He goes into detail of the information contained in these medical records, very disturbing. He had been detained previously under the mental health act, for violence against his mother Jodie & her sister. He was a very dangerous & violent individual. All this was known to the police at the time. Their was never any suggestion that Luke nor any of his family had any mental health Issues prior to the time of Jodies murder.


 *&^^&


Wouldn’t that make him another potential killer according to people like Jacqueline Johnston 🙄
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1769 on: February 15, 2023, 09:40:52 PM »
Yes that's him. Another armed robber/ex-con/homophobe that's been welcomed into their cult. This thug raps/boasts about stabbing people and wanting to emulate Dale Creagan & Raoul Moat and kill cops.

He sounds like another dangerous psychopath

Has he also been wrongly diagnosed - I wouldn’t be surprised ?!
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