"Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean

[Nicholas]

Nichola Horrell
I know, I always think that too - a brutal murderer is living their life as normal while Luke has lost his young years.  So unfair 😢

Nichola Horrell
And who knows if the real murderer has struck again either before or after Jodie?

Sandra Lean
Nichola Horrell Saran Louisa Carmichael It's what got me started in this work and has kept me going for 20 years - if Luke didn't do this, someone else did and we have no idea who that someone else is. (Or possibly, those someones).
There are so many critics who say "there have been no similar murders in Scotland since Jodi" - not only is it not true, but, from where the murder happened, you can be over the border into England in just over an hour - there is no "joining up" of English police forces with Scottish ones, so if similar murders happened in England, they would never even look for a link!

 

Sandra Lean 👇

Example: Page 80/81 (http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/20/copy-of-chapter-5-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-book-smoke-mirrors-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-guilty-killer-simon-hall/)

”Given the purely circumstantial nature of the Simon Hall case, it would seem pertinent to introduce other circumstantial events that may require further examination.
At 12.30pm, Sunday 25th November 2005 (exactly 3 weeks prior to the discovery of Mrs Albert’s body) Mabel Leyshon (90) was found dead in her home in  Lon Pant, Llanfairpwll, on Anglesey. She had been stabbed repeatedly, following a break-in.
The similarities are striking, both were elderly women living alone, both were subjected to brutal and frenzied knife attacks, both had their houses broken into, and both were killed on a Saturday night and discovered on a Sunday.
Both were also security conscious, Bothere confirmed alive and well on the Saturday. ~ Sandra Lean   

Psychopathic killer Mathew Hardman was arrested and convicted of the murder of Mabel Leyshon in 2002 - SIX YEARS BEFORE SANDRA LEAN PUBLISHED HER BOOK!

[faithlilly]

It states in the article why she wasn't called.  And did the Mitchell's not give their fabricated account to Sky TV for free? Maybe not everyone that speaks to the press asks for money. Or what if it was a true account for a minor financial gain - would that make a difference.

Read the article.

“ One witness said yesterday:”

“  One friend who witnessed the abuse said

“ One girl was particularly disgusted”

“ After Jodi's murder, one of her friends told police what had happened at the party. ”

From the article these witnesses appear to be different people. All these witnesses to the same event and not one is called to give evidence in court. Surely once the girl who, allegedly, was put on the witness list, went to the police they  would have sought to identify and find all of the other party goers? Corroboration would have been helpful  It shouldn’t have been hard. That kind of evidence would have been prosecution gold….Luke actually abusing Jodi with a knife…yet not one eyewitness called to give an account of the incident.

Similarly we are told that the witness wasn’t called because her credibility would be questioned because of the drugs at the party yet Tulloch and High were known to be smoking cannabis with Luke on the night of Jodi’s murder and they were still called to give evidence. Cannabis use didn’t appear to dent their credibility. Rum one that!


Makes you wonder if there ever was an incident…or a witness?

[Kenmair]

Makes you wonder if there ever was an incident…or a witness?

There are so many alleged incidents around LM threatening or harming girls with knives since aged 12 and bragging to friends how he fantasises about killing someone. Are they all untrue or just in it for the money. And why did he have such a knife at that age?

It's incredulous that you cannot accept reported facts yet wholeheartedly believe the speculation and theories of Lean and Forbes. In Forbes case, a drug addled ex-armed robber who regularly appears on podcasts chewing his lip and sniffing due to substance use. Perhaps not the most credible witness also given his previous attempts at fraud and extortion.

[Vertigo Swirl]

There are so many alleged incidents around LM threatening or harming girls with knives since aged 12 and bragging to friends how he fantasises about killing someone. Are they all untrue or just in it for the money. And why did he have such a knife at that age?

It's incredulous that you cannot accept reported facts yet wholeheartedly believe the speculation and theories of Lean and Forbes. In Forbes case, a drug addled ex-armed robber who regularly appears on podcasts chewing his lip and sniffing due to substance use. Perhaps not the most credible witness also given his previous attempts at fraud and extortion.

Of course it’s quite possible these girls were put forward as witnesses for the prosecution but either refused to testify or were rejected by the defence team on some legal technicality.

[faithlilly]

There are so many alleged incidents around LM threatening or harming girls with knives since aged 12 and bragging to friends how he fantasises about killing someone. Are they all untrue or just in it for the money. And why did he have such a knife at that age?

It's incredulous that you cannot accept reported facts yet wholeheartedly believe the speculation and theories of Lean and Forbes. In Forbes case, a drug addled ex-armed robber who regularly appears on podcasts chewing his lip and sniffing due to substance use. Perhaps not the most credible witness also given his previous attempts at fraud and extortion.

As far as I’m aware there are no incidents of Luke harming any girls with knives. Care to expand? There is 3 alleged incidents of Luke threatening girls with a knife….all three’s value to the prosecution can’t be overstated yet not one was called to give evidence in court. In fact it appears that at least two of the witnesses only ‘revealed their trauma’ when it was financially expedient to do so. The other, if she even exists, lacked the credibility to be called as a witness.

[Vertigo Swirl]

As far as I’m aware there are no incidents of Luke harming any girls with knives. Care to expand? There is 3 alleged incidents of Luke threatening girls with a knife….all three’s value to the prosecution can’t be overstated yet not one was called to give evidence in court. In fact it appears that at least two of the witnesses only ‘revealed their trauma’ when it was financially expedient to do so. The other, if she even exists, lacked the credibility to be called as a witness.

You will of course have proof that the witness was paid, oh wait - no you won’t, you never do.

[Kenmair]

As far as I’m aware there are no incidents of Luke harming any girls with knives. Care to expand? There is 3 alleged incidents of Luke threatening girls with a knife….all three’s value to the prosecution can’t be overstated yet not one was called to give evidence in court. In fact it appears that at least two of the witnesses only ‘revealed their trauma’ when it was financially expedient to do so. The other, if she even exists, lacked the credibility to be called as a witness.

There is 15 page post on this forum that discusses LM's knife incidents. Is climbing on top of an 11 year old girl with a knife demanding a kiss or creeping up behind his third girlfriend at the time (KVN & KT & [Name removed]) with a balaclava saying he would gut her not extreme psychological harm? Or jabbing [Name removed] in the leg with a hunting knife in front of her friends.

You have not said if you think Forbes is a credible witness/author?

[faithlilly]

There is 15 page post on this forum that discusses LM's knife incidents. Is climbing on top of an 11 year old girl with a knife demanding a kiss or creeping up behind his third girlfriend at the time (KVN & KT & [Name removed]) with a balaclava saying he would gut her not extreme psychological harm? Or jabbing [Name removed] in the leg with a hunting knife in front of her friends.

You have not said if you think Forbes is a credible witness/author?

Are all the 15 pages based on court testimony on oath or tabloid articles?

[Kenmair]

Are all the 15 pages based on court testimony on oath or tabloid articles?

You have posted on that 15 page topic so shouldn't need reminded. You've not said if you back S Forbes views or not though? Remember his book was "fact checked" by SL yet contained different versions of key events.

[faithlilly]

You have posted on that 15 page topic so shouldn't need reminded. You've not said if you back S Forbes views or not though? Remember his book was "fact checked" by SL yet contained different versions of key events.

I post on a lot of topics so it’s hard to keep track. However I can tell by your answer to my question that, yes, the 15 pages are based on tabloid articles.

As to Forbes all I can say is that he has greater access to information on the case than anyone here. Is he credible? Like all sources his claims need to be treated with caution until corroborated.

[Mr Apples]

How many samples did the SCCRC test - what were the results - and what exactly did the SCCRC say about the dna ?

I wouldn't mind knowing the answers to those questions myself, Nicholas. The only thing I've read which mentions the SCCRC's tests and results pertaining to the DNA in this case was from an old Daily Mail article (link provided below). Interestingly, it states that, as well as LM's human rights being breached during several police interviews (the sccrc took the view that LM was treated as a suspect from July 1st 2003 and, as such, should've been allowed access to a lawyer at all times; and, just as significantly, they also took the view that the crown breached his human rights by allowing evidence to be led in court from 3 police interviews -- between July 1st 2003 and 14th August 2003 -- without a lawyer), they found 2 tiny, previously undiscovered samples (from -- likely -- semen and possibly other body fluids) on the top of Jodi's trousers NOT from LM. I always thought these previously undiscovered samples were from LM, so that is a bit of a concern (unless, of course, they were transferred innocently). Does anyone know who these samples were attributable to? Quite an important question.  As usual, tbe DNA in this case continues to confound and bewilder.

 https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-scottish-mail-on-sunday/20140706/281801397063449

[faithlilly]

It appears the untested samples story has made its way to the Times.

http://archive.today/2023.03.27-051824/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-failed-to-test-for-dna-says-lawyer-in-jodi-jones-case-0t9psqzsg

[Myster]

And they've fallen for Forbes' "I'm a lawyer" baloney!

[faithlilly]

And they've fallen for Forbes' "I'm a lawyer" baloney!

Those 200 year old papers are soooo easy to fool, aren’t they?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Those 200 year old papers are soooo easy to fool, aren’t they?

So now Murdoch's Press is on your side of the argument it's full of integrity and decency.  I wonder how much Mr Forbes was paid for his interview, eh/ ;-)