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Offline Parky41

The first the public knew of Andrina Bryson’s sighting was when she gave evidence in court. There was no public appeal for the couple to come forward as there was with Stocky Man and the blonde mother pushing a pram and who would remember so many months after the event what exactly they were doing at that time on that day?

The reason why the police all but ignored AB’s sighting for weeks after the murder? The logical reason is the timings in her first statements were too late for the TOD the police had fixed on....a time when Luke had no one but his family as his alibi. If the sighting was Jodi and Luke , and AB’s original timings were correct, as they most certainly were,  Luke would have to have been in two places at once, at the Easthouses entrance to RDP and being seen on the Newbattle Road by his friends. He had a cast iron alibi.

Weeks into the case there was nothing to implicate Luke in the murder. There was no sightings of Luke near RDP at the time of the murder and the police had hung their entire case on there being DNA evidence against Luke but when none was found a different direction had to be taken.

I do feel sorry for AB. She gave her evidence in good faith but that she was manipulated into testifying to timings other than those she originally gave is not surprising. She knew that Luke couldn’t have been the youth she saw, the timings were all wrong, and by refusing to identify Luke in the dock she did all she possibly could to rectify the situation.

Nonsense - Almost on par with CM's "the police didn't bank on Luke being Luke though" And considering we have such ridiculous claims of minute areas of truth given, such as this witness seeing any bike parked up against this V break - We are continually swayed to this mystery man and to these times of AB - asked to ignore every single part of LM's original defence - to go in favour of Ms Leans nonsense.

This swayed with the police nonsense - One breath saying they are pushing this parka jacket into her face trying to force her to say it was one of those. But she stuck to her guns and said, it was that colour I can't be sure of jacket. But of all of them, that is the closest. I do remember his face though and his sticky out hair which looked clumped around his neck. Then saying she gave this time but the police managed to to talk her round, tampered with her bank statement and all else - forced her into driving a route and so forth - This witness was honest to the max. Of the girl. Again this desperate need to zone in those colours in the first statement. - by completely manipulating them, to make it sound like she had on, just a blue top and jeans. She was clear when she clarified those colours - Of the top being very dark navy/black and of the bottoms being slightly lighter and loose around the bottom. This desperate need to pick every hole available - of her driving, of her approaching this bend in the road, of saying it was impossible to pick what the male looked like out - yet in the same breath, want every single part of that clothing, colours of hair, the red bobble and all else - down to a fine art - Ridiculous. AB had a voice, and she used it - She was manipulated into nothing. - That bank statement, that time of leaving the store, that route determined, that house just a couple of hundred yards from the sighting, that she drove to, did not hang around, drove out again and drove home - to Newtongrange - facing onto this couple and that boy she saw. - Looking at the female, holding his palms out, beckoning the girl. And she remembered that face - and she was "as sure as she could be that the youth was Luke Mitchell that she saw that day"

And you want to know every second of every minute of everything she did - when she arrived home to her house? Because she had said in her first statement - I thought I had been home X amount of time when my husband phoned me. She did not pick him out in court - he was totally different looking. And of F&W whom admitted to seeing his coupon in the papers. Honest again. Which does not retract from ID him previously at all. They saw him that day, they further saw him in the papers and his mug stayed in their minds.

And of those appeals. For any sighting of Jodi that day and I will revert back to the above - of those minute areas of truth used, to add every assumption under the son. And of Ms Leans blatant misrepresentation of the facts in "No Smoke" Of stating clearly "the mystery man who FOLLOWED Jodi in to the path" and of DD being on this path. To still be saying to this present day - it was a simple typo - nonsense. This is what one is capable of is it not? - and if one can do this then it clearly shows what else can be done - doesn't it?

And of these weeks between statements and so forth - Now I wonder if DF retained them all to use? For we know that he did not keep RK, SK's father in those files. He knew about it, he knew from those precognitions that they were with this man having dinner. So how many other statements - did DF not keep in those defence papers? As with those phone logs.  - That are being used to jump between? - So the reality is, you do not know - there could have been another two statements in-between. The amount of stuff that Ms Lean has never had in her possession - has the information around it - but has used it, has she not - to make claim to having everything? For it can not be any clearer, that:

There are massive amounts of statements and information gathered in this investigation - That the Crown chooses from this all that they need to build that case. That the defence does the same. The case is LM V HMA. That they do precognitions. That they gather more evidence. And the SCCRC who like both the Crown and the defence - are legally able to access everything - and they did point out many areas to Ms Lean - of how her assumptions were wrong, that these items were there all along. Of the process of elimination - in those investigation papers - that Ms Lean does not have? - And the clear assumptions made around this also - It is hardly surprising these constant claims of zoning in on LM - for the case was LM V HMA - the information used, was to do with the case against him.

And of your mention yet again about this dog at the V - completely wiping out LM's statements. To bring him right to this V - it was LM who was lying and that is why you have to ignore all he said.

There was no mystery man following any one - That wording from paper and the likes - There was a male seen, walking along Easthouses Road, there was a female seen walking along Easthouses Road.

Be a good chap and pull up the girl with the buggies statement when she eventually came forward will you. Pull up this positive sighting of Jodi which was her coming off the school bus and heading home. Pull up this ID of the male and what day and time it was actually determined to be. In fact, you can't pull up a lot of things, can you? - as Ms Lean does no have a lot of them - but there are precise reasons why some of this was NOT included DF's defence of his client LM - it was not shoved under the proverbial carpet and forgotten about - it was irrelevant to use by DF. Thus why Ms Lean does not have all of the information around it. She does not have every statement, she does not have every phone log and she has only a fraction of what actually went into this investigation - and of that fraction she uses around 5%

Of what Nicholas put up earlier - of this repetitive - "this is from the families own statements and can be backed up" - Which shows us, that minute use of truth, but the narrative can not be backed up - the narrative would be trampled into the ground - if that other 95% was shown - wouldn't it? This cherry picking that she accuses everyone else of doing? - At least theirs made sense.

Ms Lean may very well be able to back up what she says, as in the actual few words verbatim. - But it goes a long long way - to backing up what she might claim, As with the bike at this V, as with the appeal for Jodi, the mystery man, the girl with the buggy, the duo on the bike and so forth - And we can see how ridiculous her narrative is with every attempt she makes to disperse doubt - Of one officer writing "with the boyfriend", with scrubbing the data, with getting him over the V for his DNA, with the aunts miraculously arriving at this path - changing one's tune a little here from the many years of all else discussed and come out with:
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'We don't know how the aunts arrived there, someone must have contacted them from the path? We know it was not Judith as it is not in her phone logs?' - what a telling statement that is? - Still not saying that AW had phoned her daughter, perhaps that part of AW's statement was also not used, not just the phone log? - you know, all this irrelevant stuff that DF sought not use in his defence of LM. - what a mess.

And he did not have his family as an alibi - did he? It was a lot of nonsense. Less than 15mins to cook a dinner, to plate up, to eat and race out that door - oh and the in-depth conversation with his mother, of telling his mother he was off, and of the t-shirt being Jodi's favourite - and of CM soaking up the sunshine? - on this miserable day.

Offline faithlilly

Nonsense - Almost on par with CM's "the police didn't bank on Luke being Luke though" And considering we have such ridiculous claims of minute areas of truth given, such as this witness seeing any bike parked up against this V break - We are continually swayed to this mystery man and to these times of AB - asked to ignore every single part of LM's original defence - to go in favour of Ms Leans nonsense.


I have literally no idea what you are talking about.


This swayed with the police nonsense - One breath saying they are pushing this parka jacket into her face trying to force her to say it was one of those. But she stuck to her guns and said, it was that colour I can't be sure of jacket.

She said on oath that the parka was closest to the jacket the youth was wearing but it wasn’t a parka and she pointed out the differences to the police at the time.

 But of all of them, that is the closest. I do remember his face though and his sticky out hair which looked clumped around his neck.

She said that she could not describe any of the youth’s facial features and she only saw the back of the girl’s head. Then there was the disgraceful identification of Luke, identified in a way that went against all guidelines. An identification of which an identification expert said ‘Luke didn’t have a red arrow pointing at him but he might as well have’.

Then saying she gave this time but the police managed to to talk her round, tampered with her bank statement and all else - forced her into driving a route and so forth - This witness was honest to the max. Of the girl. Again this desperate need to zone in those colours in the first statement. - by completely manipulating them, to make it sound like she had on, just a blue top and jeans. She was clear when she clarified those colours - Of the top being very dark navy/black and of the bottoms being slightly lighter and loose around the bottom. This desperate need to pick every hole available - of her driving, of her approaching this bend in the road, of saying it was impossible to pick what the male looked like out - yet in the same breath, want every single part of that clothing, colours of hair, the red bobble and all else - down to a fine art - Ridiculous. AB had a voice, and she used it - She was manipulated into nothing. - That bank statement, that time of leaving the store, that route determined, that house just a couple of hundred yards from the sighting, that she drove to, did not hang around, drove out again and drove home - to Newtongrange - facing onto this couple and that boy she saw. - Looking at the female, holding his palms out, beckoning the girl. And she remembered that face - and she was "as sure as she could be that the youth was Luke Mitchell that she saw that day"


It should have been worrying that AB admitted to not being able to describe his facial features. And I see the youth is beckoning now, not having a altercation as you claimed previously. In fact you said this is why AB noticed him. And that Deftones logo....AB never could explain why she didn’t see that. And that 45 minutes still unaccounted for. This is your timeline not mine.

Andrina Bryson, a witness who gave her police statements in good faith. Those first statements where everything fitted. Her children’s return from school, that visit to the supermarket and home again via that house that may possibly have become her’s, that phone call from her husband that sealed those times. When and why that certainty changed can only be guessed at. She was never, however, categorical about Luke being the youth...from the ‘I’m as sure as I can be’ to her non-identification of Luke in court she knew the weight of her words  and if she wasn’t absolutely sure she wasn’t going to be pushed into saying that she was.


And you want to know every second of every minute of everything she did - when she arrived home to her house? Because she had said in her first statement - I thought I had been home X amount of time when my husband phoned me. She did not pick him out in court - he was totally different looking. And of F&W whom admitted to seeing his coupon in the papers. Honest again. Which does not retract from ID him previously at all. They saw him that day, they further saw him in the papers and his mug stayed in their minds.

RW and LF ‘recognised’ Luke in court, even with his ‘different shaped head’ and the admission that they had never seen his face because of his hair so AB should have been able to too.

And of those appeals. For any sighting of Jodi that day and I will revert back to the above - of those minute areas of truth used, to add every assumption under the son. And of Ms Leans blatant misrepresentation of the facts in "No Smoke" Of stating clearly "the mystery man who FOLLOWED Jodi in to the path" and of DD being on this path. To still be saying to this present day - it was a simple typo - nonsense. This is what one is capable of is it not? - and if one can do this then it clearly shows what else can be done - doesn't it?

It’s strange. I find that you and Dr Lean approach this case in a very similar way...you make claims that you simply expect people to believe and when they are proven to be wrong they are simply dropped like a hot brick. SK vomiting is a classic example of that.

And of these weeks between statements and so forth - Now I wonder if DF retained them all to use? For we know that he did not keep RK, SK's father in those files. He knew about it, he knew from those precognitions that they were with this man having dinner. So how many other statements - did DF not keep in those defence papers? As with those phone logs.  - That are being used to jump between? - So the reality is, you do not know - there could have been another two statements in-between. The amount of stuff that Ms Lean has never had in her possession - has the information around it - but has used it, has she not - to make claim to having everything? For it can not be any clearer, that:

There are massive amounts of statements and information gathered in this investigation - That the Crown chooses from this all that they need to build that case. That the defence does the same. The case is LM V HMA. That they do precognitions. That they gather more evidence. And the SCCRC who like both the Crown and the defence - are legally able to access everything - and they did point out many areas to Ms Lean - of how her assumptions were wrong, that these items were there all along. Of the process of elimination - in those investigation papers - that Ms Lean does not have? - And the clear assumptions made around this also - It is hardly surprising these constant claims of zoning in on LM - for the case was LM V HMA - the information used, was to do with the case against him.

And of your mention yet again about this dog at the V - completely wiping out LM's statements. To bring him right to this V - it was LM who was lying and that is why you have to ignore all he said.

There was no mystery man following any one - That wording from paper and the likes - There was a male seen, walking along Easthouses Road, there was a female seen walking along Easthouses Road.

Be a good chap and pull up the girl with the buggies statement when she eventually came forward will you. Pull up this positive sighting of Jodi which was her coming off the school bus and heading home. Pull up this ID of the male and what day and time it was actually determined to be. In fact, you can't pull up a lot of things, can you? - as Ms Lean does no have a lot of them - but there are precise reasons why some of this was NOT included DF's defence of his client LM - it was not shoved under the proverbial carpet and forgotten about - it was irrelevant to use by DF. Thus why Ms Lean does not have all of the information around it. She does not have every statement, she does not have every phone log and she has only a fraction of what actually went into this investigation - and of that fraction she uses around 5%

Of what Nicholas put up earlier - of this repetitive - "this is from the families own statements and can be backed up" - Which shows us, that minute use of truth, but the narrative can not be backed up - the narrative would be trampled into the ground - if that other 95% was shown - wouldn't it? This cherry picking that she accuses everyone else of doing? - At least theirs made sense.

Ms Lean may very well be able to back up what she says, as in the actual few words verbatim. - But it goes a long long way - to backing up what she might claim, As with the bike at this V, as with the appeal for Jodi, the mystery man, the girl with the buggy, the duo on the bike and so forth - And we can see how ridiculous her narrative is with every attempt she makes to disperse doubt - Of one officer writing "with the boyfriend", with scrubbing the data, with getting him over the V for his DNA, with the aunts miraculously arriving at this path - changing one's tune a little here from the many years of all else discussed and come out with:
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'We don't know how the aunts arrived there, someone must have contacted them from the path? We know it was not Judith as it is not in her phone logs?' - what a telling statement that is? - Still not saying that AW had phoned her daughter, perhaps that part of AW's statement was also not used, not just the phone log? - you know, all this irrelevant stuff that DF sought not use in his defence of LM. - what a mess.

And he did not have his family as an alibi - did he? It was a lot of nonsense. Less than 15mins to cook a dinner, to plate up, to eat and race out that door - oh and the in-depth conversation with his mother, of telling his mother he was off, and of the t-shirt being Jodi's favourite - and of CM soaking up the sunshine? - on this miserable day.

So many words but none of them particularly relevant. What is relevant is that cornerstone of the case...that if Jodi’s family were telling the truth, that Luke’s dog hadn’t alerted to the v and Luke had gone straight there...then he was the killer. But it wasn’t true, was it? That vivid picture from SK of Luke’s dog pulling him to the v....mirroring Luke’s words completely. Of Luke being ‘in hysterics’. Such distain for the truth.
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Parky41



Stop talking nonsense - retching/vomiting - not even 20yrds passed this V to exactly at the V. Hysterics to being overcome with screams to reflection of LM watching people
 scream.  Of a ban on the path to your blatant lies. of "never" walking. And of Ms Lean - who you recite to the letter T consistently.

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" could have taken this route or that route back from the supermarket, could have been a blue hoodie with lighter blue bootcut jeans, could have left at 6 o'clock or 5.40 to go to Costco ... proven beyond a reasonable doubt? Nowhere near it."

Offline Parky41

They mystery man - what a shambles this has become. That main topic of conversation since day dot in this plight to show LM to be innocent.

A run through again of this male. A young girl has been brutally murdered. People come forward. We know AB was one of the first, we hear of this often, of contacting the police the following morning. Over the course of the days - we hear of two further people who saw a male on Easthouse's Road and of a female, also of a girl with a pushchair. What they also had was reports coming in from the Newbattle end of another male. At the gate near to the west end of this path. And at further points along this road. -

Lot's of possible sightings. Of days and times - sifting out viable ones. This sighting we hear of, the positive ID of Jodi Jones by a neighbour - coming home from school, shortly after 4pm. Walking passed their house towards her own. That little fragment of truth yet again. I'm not going to take the time here to put up yet again those cleverly worded accounts from Ms Lean - Of the use of possibles sightings and positive sighting - and blending them in such away - they appear to be at the same time - they were not. And we know this, as has been already stated - For if there was a positive sighting of Jodi Jones, around 5pm walking along Easthouse's Road - it would simply have been used. There was not.

An appeal is put out. Not just for this male but for the girl with the pushchair, and of the duo on the bike. There is a possibility that these people may have seen Jodi Jones. There is no appeal for the couple in the lane or of any youth on Newbattle Road - The police are not daft, neither desperate. For at the same time this has been coming through, they already know several things. That contrary to LM's claims, that Jodi had left her home earlier than his claimed time of meeting. That there is mention of this ban on this path and of Jodi saying to her mother, that they (Jodi and Luke) would be "mucking about up here". And that Jodi had punishments that ended that day, no restrictions on her time. That the only person she had contacted upon finding this out - was LM, by using her mothers phone.

This appeal is put out. One such ID was of a male who had been in England on the 30th of June. We hear of this other ID from carrying this girls coffin some 9 weeks later. But before any of this we had the girl with the pushchair come forward - Which changed all of this? The time, the day? and of this male and female. Remember one other thing here of the reconstruction - The girl does not have her hair with a red bobble/scrunchie in it. - there are certain things, of information only they know, of LM given out - that would not be made public. And we hear of this person who made this ID on social media just now CRM. Who is stating that she contacted the police again about this sighting, that she knows what she saw and that they did not get back in touch with her - well it is hardly surprising when the police already know this was not Jodi at this time on Monday the 30th of June, as we already know - any positive sightings would simply have been used - to tie in with AB, if going by this shoe horning things together is as claimed - as adding a few minutes on, would have made no difference, at all. - they would have shoe horned everything - but there was none of this anyway. Tactics, nothing more nothing less. - And if this person is making these claims of ID this male as carrying this girls coffin - then we know it was employees from the funeral directors.
 
Further, to note yet again. We have already taken one minute area of truth - The employee from Basically Tool Hire, of the arms and legs added to this. Of all and sundry discussing about this duo's bike being parked up at this V break with no boys in sight. And we know that Ms Lean is not daft? For these people from BTH could not have seen this V break at all. Of them giving an estimate to where on this path they saw the bike 'close to where there is a V break' Of using this and DF trying to trip these boys up - whom not once, precognitions or otherwise, admitted to their bike being up against this V, or any part of the wall. And we know at the time this was a national speed limit of 60mph. That these boys had been stopping and starting the bike before getting it going and riding up and down the path - a couple of times. That whilst this employee may have seen this bike, they would be hard pushed to see the boys anyway, and of the bike being pushed, whilst they were driving. split second and gone. And of this noisy bike - which of course, LM could not have failed to hear. - and we know without a shadow of a doubt it is only this employee she is talking about - as there was no other person on that path, and one had to be on the path - to see this V, for it is sheltered by trees on the field side of the path.

As we have with this mystery man - of using him in the exact same fashion? -  Taken some fragments of truth. Of completely non confirmed sightings of anything, and using these as a means to allow these arms and legs to be added. And of course, highlighting here, yet again - that many things would not have been included in DF's case of defence for his client LM - That this is not a case of things being swept under the carpet or buried - it is because he chose not to use them. And I did ask Ms Lean about this - and she told me his hands were tied  - due to funding. -Funding prohibits of course would be in place for irrelevance, but not for strong areas of evidence, that could have shown LM to be innocent. She further claimed, that he would not have been allowed to use any of it as mystery man nor [Name removed] were part of the prosecution case? -yet DF obtained his medical records, and used part of the BTH place statement - even though this person was not part of the Crowns case either - The mystery man was not used, as DF knew everything around this, the irrelevance of it - plain and simple. This part of the investigation was eliminated for a reason. And DF knew those reasons.

Offline faithlilly

Stop talking nonsense - retching/vomiting - not even 20yrds passed this V to exactly at the V. Hysterics to being overcome with screams to reflection of LM watching people
 scream.  Of a ban on the path to your blatant lies. of "never" walking. And of Ms Lean - who you recite to the letter T consistently.

The best form of defence is attack.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Angelo222

And not a single witness came forward to say they had walked home with Luke Mitchell after school, all very odd and unusual if I'm honest. All that missing unaccounted-for time after school then until the 6pm sightings on Newbattle Road.

Plenty of time to get up to much mischief. No alibi, just a pile of lies.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

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Offline faithlilly

They mystery man - what a shambles this has become. That main topic of conversation since day dot in this plight to show LM to be innocent.


A run through again of this male. A young girl has been brutally murdered. People come forward. We know AB was one of the first, we hear of this often, of contacting the police the following morning. Over the course of the days - we hear of two further people who saw a male on Easthouse's Road and of a female, also of a girl with a pushchair. What they also had was reports coming in from the Newbattle end of another male. At the gate near to the west end of this path. And at further points along this road. -

Lot's of possible sightings. Of days and times - sifting out viable ones. This sighting we hear of, the positive ID of Jodi Jones by a neighbour - coming home from school, shortly after 4pm. Walking passed their house towards her own. That little fragment of truth yet again. I'm not going to take the time here to put up yet again those cleverly worded accounts from Ms Lean - Of the use of possibles sightings and positive sighting - and blending them in such away - they appear to be at the same time - they were not. And we know this, as has been already stated - For if there was a positive sighting of Jodi Jones, around 5pm walking along Easthouse's Road - it would simply have been used. There was not.

Much as you try you can’t simply airbrush those inconvenient sightings from the narrative. The neighbour who saw Jodi pass her window just after 5 or the girl on the Easthouses road with a stocky man following on behind. The sighting must have been credible as an appeal was made for this individual to come forward. Of course Stocky Man more than likely was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time but what was interesting was that identification of Jodi by someone who knew her, an identification that put her on the Easthouses Road long after she should have been elsewhere.

An appeal is put out. Not just for this male but for the girl with the pushchair, and of the duo on the bike. There is a possibility that these people may have seen Jodi Jones. There is no appeal for the couple in the lane or of any youth on Newbattle Road -

Of course there was no appeal for the youth seen by RW in those first days after the murder, RW didn’t give her first statement until the 8th of July, the police had no idea that this sighting had happened initially. They did however know of AB’s sighting as she called them the day after the murder and made statements within days of that phone call. So why no appeal for this young couple in the following days? Suggesting that this was because the police ‘knew’ things is a nonsense. From those timings given by AB in that first statement to the police the police will have known that the timings were too late to be of any use to them. That is why they initially took no action, plain and simple.


 The police are not daft, neither desperate. For at the same time this has been coming through, they already know several things. That contrary to LM's claims, that Jodi had left her home earlier than his claimed time of meeting. That there is mention of this ban on this path and of Jodi saying to her mother, that they (Jodi and Luke) would be "mucking about up here". And that Jodi had punishments that ended that day, no restrictions on her time. That the only person she had contacted upon finding this out - was LM, by using her mothers phone.

Wasn’t that a bit of a gamble for Luke? IF they had texted those arrangements of meeting earlier how could he have known that Jodi would have deleted them too? That those damning texts, heavy with implication, were just sitting on Jodi’s mother’s phone ready to be found. How would he have explained that?

That carefully planned alibi, of getting his mother and brother to lie for him, of standing on the Newbattle Road praying to be seen, of the burning of incriminating clothes, of the back and forward to the woodland yet we are being asked to believe that not once did this clever, cunning boy realise that those earlier texts, filled with those revealing plans, could be his undoing.


This appeal is put out. One such ID was of a male who had been in England on the 30th of June. We hear of this other ID from carrying this girls coffin some 9 weeks later. But before any of this we had the girl with the pushchair come forward - Which changed all of this? The time, the day? and of this male and female. Remember one other thing here of the reconstruction - The girl does not have her hair with a red bobble/scrunchie in it. - there are certain things, of information only they know, of LM given out - that would not be made public. And we hear of this person who made this ID on social media just now CRM. Who is stating that she contacted the police again about this sighting, that she knows what she saw and that they did not get back in touch with her - well it is hardly surprising when the police already know this was not Jodi at this time on Monday the 30th of June, as we already know - any positive sightings would simply have been used - to tie in with AB, if going by this shoe horning things together is as claimed - as adding a few minutes on, would have made no difference, at all. - they would have shoe horned everything - but there was none of this anyway. Tactics, nothing more nothing less. - And if this person is making these claims of ID this male as carrying this girls coffin - then we know it was employees from the funeral directors.

Tunnel vision is exactly what you are describing above. The police in those first days couldn’t have possibly known that the couple seen by AB was Luke and Jodi...the times were too late. The sighting of Jodi on Easthouses Road was much more credible as it was closer to the time she had left the house. However the police didn’t want Jodi on the Easthouses Road at that time, did they? They wanted her to be on RDP at a time Luke had no independent witnesses. That’s why they’d called on the services of experts... not to fit Luke to the TOD but to fit the TOD to Luke.
 
Further, to note yet again. We have already taken one minute area of truth - The employee from Basically Tool Hire, of the arms and legs added to this. Of all and sundry discussing about this duo's bike being parked up at this V break with no boys in sight. And we know that Ms Lean is not daft? For these people from BTH could not have seen this V break at all. Of them giving an estimate to where on this path they saw the bike 'close to where there is a V break' Of using this and DF trying to trip these boys up - whom not once, precognitions or otherwise, admitted to their bike being up against this V, or any part of the wall. And we know at the time this was a national speed limit of 60mph. That these boys had been stopping and starting the bike before getting it going and riding up and down the path - a couple of times. That whilst this employee may have seen this bike, they would be hard pushed to see the boys anyway, and of the bike being pushed, whilst they were driving. split second and gone. And of this noisy bike - which of course, LM could not have failed to hear. - and we know without a shadow of a doubt it is only this employee she is talking about - as there was no other person on that path, and one had to be on the path - to see this V, for it is sheltered by trees on the field side of the path.

As we have with this mystery man - of using him in the exact same fashion? -  Taken some fragments of truth. Of completely non confirmed sightings of anything, and using these as a means to allow these arms and legs to be added. And of course, highlighting here, yet again - that many things would not have been included in DF's case of defence for his client LM - That this is not a case of things being swept under the carpet or buried - it is because he chose not to use them. And I did ask Ms Lean about this - and she told me his hands were tied  - due to funding. -Funding prohibits of course would be in place for irrelevance, but not for strong areas of evidence, that could have shown LM to be innocent. She further claimed, that he would not have been allowed to use any of it as mystery man nor [Name removed] were part of the prosecution case? -yet DF obtained his medical records, and used part of the BTH place statement - even though this person was not part of the Crowns case either - The mystery man was not used, as DF knew everything around this, the irrelevance of it - plain and simple. This part of the investigation was eliminated for a reason. And DF knew those reasons.

Stocky Man is merely a distraction but in saying that you use him well.
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

And not a single witness came forward to say they had walked home with Luke Mitchell after school, all very odd and unusual if I'm honest. All that missing unaccounted-for time after school then until the 6pm sightings on Newbattle Road.

Plenty of time to get up to much mischief. No alibi, just a pile of lies.


There were phone logs putting Luke at home shortly before 4.30...after school...so why would the police have wasted time finding witnesses to a time before then, when Jodi was alive?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Paranoid Android

Interesting* that phone logs exist for earlier in the day, but texts/calls slightly later were deleted - should we file that under foresight?

*When I say 'interesting', I mean convenient.

If Stocky Man is merely a distraction, why does Dr Lean keep mentioning him, allegedly following Jodi?

The claim that this moped/bike was viewed from The Beeches? That's some superhuman eyesight right there!

If LM claims he'd never noticed the V in the wall at any time prior to the dog attracting his attention to it, I'm not buying that for a second - that's a lie, and that's a concern.



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Offline Nicholas

Interesting* that phone logs exist for earlier in the day, but texts/calls slightly later were deleted - should we file that under foresight?

*When I say 'interesting', I mean convenient.

If Stocky Man is merely a distraction, why does Dr Lean keep mentioning him, allegedly following Jodi?

The claim that this moped/bike was viewed from The Beeches? That's some superhuman eyesight right there!

If LM claims he'd never noticed the V in the wall at any time prior to the dog attracting his attention to it, I'm not buying that for a second - that's a lie, and that's a concern.

Of course it’s a lie

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[162] As the trial judge informs us, the appellant told the police at interview on 4 July 2003 that he and Jodi would sit on the other side of the wall from the Roan's Dyke Path near to the gap in the wall at the junction of the two paths and "have a cigarette or whatever". In the same interview he said that there was "a tiny wee path ... that folk walk along in the inside of that wall", i.e. on the other side from the Roan's Dyke Path. There was evidence, indeed, that just inside a gap in the wall at the junction of the paths stood a small tree with the initials [Name removed] and LM carved in its bark. A witness David Stirling described an occasion in early June 2003 when he was with friends and they met the appellant at the junction of the paths. They went down the inside of the wall (towards the "V") for some distance, then sat and smoked cannabis. Another witness, John [Name removed], said that on two occasions when the appellant telephoned asking for quantities of cannabis, they arranged to meet at the opening in the wall at the junction of the paths. On one of these occasions when they met the appellant said that he was waiting for Jodi. For all these reasons there is no merit in this ground of appeal.
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline JaneO

Hi first time posting. I think this case needs an independent review there is just far too many things that don't add up and questions needing answered. I DO NOT think it has been proved beyond reasonable doubt. As for Corinne going to a visit with a crop top on so what she can wear what she wants.

Offline Paranoid Android

The way CM and LM  were dressed at Jodi's grave was distasteful and disrespectful - the fact that they were there at all is questionable.

Good to see Dr Lean marshalling her forces - expect more.

I wonder if Dr Lean's recent recruits know about LM having knives at other girls throats, etc?

Offline faithlilly

Hi first time posting. I think this case needs an independent review there is just far too many things that don't add up and questions needing answered. I DO NOT think it has been proved beyond reasonable doubt. As for Corinne going to a visit with a crop top on so what she can wear what she wants.

Indeed Jane and welcome to the forum.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Interesting* that phone logs exist for earlier in the day, but texts/calls slightly later were deleted - should we file that under foresight?

*When I say 'interesting', I mean convenient.

If Stocky Man is merely a distraction, why does Dr Lean keep mentioning him, allegedly following Jodi?

The claim that this moped/bike was viewed from The Beeches? That's some superhuman eyesight right there!

If LM claims he'd never noticed the V in the wall at any time prior to the dog attracting his attention to it, I'm not buying that for a second - that's a lie, and that's a concern.

Seems Jodi had ‘foresight’ too.

What was the point of Luke deleting incriminating texts when he knew there was a copy which might not have been deleted on Judith’s phone?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Nicholas

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I think this case needs an independent review

There won’t be an ‘independent review’!
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation