At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?

[Benice]

thats why i dont understand the lies

What lies?     Do you think these 2 independant witnesses who clearly state that the first  phone calls to the police were made between 10.00 and 10.15 were lying?   

No witnesses lied IMO.    But because of the known fallibility of memory, it does not follow that their recollections regarding times were accurate.   Lying doesn't come into it.

Helder Jorge Samaio Luis, receptionist

"He knows about the situation that happened at the Ocean Club concerning the disappearance of a little given that on the day in question (03/05/2007) he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared. That he immediately contacted the GNR in Lagos, shortly after this the child’s father and John Hill arrived at the reception and he phoned the GNR again."

Vitor Manuel dos Santos, Head of accommodation

With regard to the date of the disappearance on 3rd May 2007, he remembers that at 22.00/22.15 he received a phone call from the reception, from receptionist Helder, who told him that John Hill was extremely agitated as a child had disappeared and that the GNR had been contacted but had not arrived yet. He added (the receptionist) that he had phoned the GNR post several times and that he had been told that they would arrive when they could but that they were investigating a theft in Odiaxere. The receptionist asked the witness whether he should contact the PSP, to which the witness replied no as this area belongs to the GNR.

End quote.

As far as the McCanns knew - the reception staff had been asked to phone the police - and they had done that.

[pegasus]

@Benice.  But JH did not arrive in PDL until about 22.33pm

... he knew of these facts by means of a phone call from Lindsay, head of the child care service, who told him about a female child staying at the resort who had disappeared. This phone call was made to the deponent's mobile phone at about 22.28 on 03-05-2007. About 5 minutes later the deponent presented himself at the resort, because Lindsay had told him that she had initiated the procedure for missing children used by the company and the child had not been found. Upon arriving at the scene he saw about 100 people, employees, guests and residents searching the grounds, the beach and adjoining areas calling out the child's name. Initially the deponent thought that the child had got lost or disorientated, but as the searches did not produce any results he became increasingly worried. The deponent went to the main reception to see if the authorities had been alerted ...."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_HILL.htm

[Benice]

@Benice.  But JH did not arrive in PDL until about 10.33pm

... he knew of these facts by means of a phone call from Lindsay, head of the child care service, who told him about a female child staying at the resort who had disappeared. This phone call was made to the deponent's mobile phone at about 22.28 on 03-05-2007. About 5 minutes later the deponent presented himself at the resort, because Lindsay had told him that she had initiated the procedure for missing children used by the company and the child had not been found. Upon arriving at the scene he saw about 100 people, employees, guests and residents searching the grounds, the beach and adjoining areas calling out the child's name. Initially the deponent thought that the child had got lost or disorientated, but as the searches did not produce any results he became increasingly worried. The deponent went to the main reception to see if the authorities had been alerted ...."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_HILL.htm

I think you have missed the point Pegasus, which was because different people's recall of what time phone calls were made are incorrect, it does not mean they were lying.   That includes the McCanns and their friends.

Mercury apparently thinks people lied.    IMO everyone gave their genuine recollections of the times - and lying does not come into it.

[mercury]

Benice, phone calls are logged, thats it, there is proof when police were called and it doesnt add up with when people say therey were called, thats all, unless you can prove otherwise

Ok let me reverse my post they werent lies they were beliefs but no one has any right to state a belief as a fact, that ok?

[Benice]

Benice, phone calls are logged, thats it, there is proof when police were called and it doesnt add up with when people say therey were called, thats all, unless you can prove otherwise

So do you think the two witnesses I quoted (one of whom actually did make the phone calls)  were lying?  If so, why would they do that?

[misty]

How are all the calls to 112 handled? How are the redirected calls recorded on that computer print out?
JH dialled the GNR Lagos on the direct line.

[mercury]

So do you think the two witnesses I quoted (one of whom actually did make the phone calls)  were lying?  If so, why would they do that?

I have no idea what they were doing but  they certainly  did not call the police at time that is reported

[Benice]

I have no idea what they were doing but  they certainly  did not call the police at time that is reported

I agree that the first phone call was 10.41.  Would you agree that as there is no reason for those two witnesses to lie - they were simply mistaken in the times they state -  and their recollections re times were simply wrong - but not intentionally so?

[mercury]

I agree that the first phone call was 10.41.  Would you agree that as there is no reason for those two witnesses to lie - they were simply mistaken in the times they state -  and their recollections re times were simply wrong - but not intentionally so?

Of course i do, why wouldnt i, but kate lied

in her book!!

FACT

[pegasus]

I think you have missed the point Pegasus, which was because different people's recall of what time phone calls were made are incorrect, it does not mean they were lying.   That includes the McCanns and their friends.

Mercury apparently thinks people lied.    IMO everyone gave their genuine recollections of the times - and lying does not come into it.

The first phonecall to police was at 22.41, an exact time in the network computer records of Portugal Telecom.

[Benice]

Of course i do, why wouldnt i, but kate lied

in her book!!

FACT

Cite please?

[Benice]

The first phonecall to police was at 22.41, an exact time in the network computer records of Portugal Telecom.

Yes I know, so do you think the two independent witnesses (one of whom actually made the phone calls) were lying when they stated that they were made between 10.00 and 10.15?    If so - why?

[mercury]

Cite please?

The cite is the recorded phone calls benice!

[mercury]

Yes I know, so do you think the two independent witnesses (one of whom actually made the phone calls) were lying when they stated that they were made between 10.00 and 10.15?    If so - why?

Therere is no proof he she made the phone calls at that time

[mercury]

So what did Kate say which makes her a liar?

That the police were called, after all her book was entitled an account of the truth.this wasnt any truth ergo a lie

Ps lets not forget she had all the police files af the  time, so will have known the FACTS