At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?

[pathfinder73]

Was the person to whom Russell spoke with on the 24 hour reception desk interviewed?

Russell went to the desk and asked them to call the police,   he would have presumed they had.

It was Matt.

I said, you've got to phone the Police, you know, a child's been taken, and they went, oh no, she's probably just sort of woken up and he thought she's probably sort of wandered off or something like that and you thought, yeah, maybe you're right, maybe you're right, erm, can you please, it was sort of, it was kind of, it was sort a weird kind of lack of urgency, you know, he'd ring, but you had to sort and stand there and say, ring now, ring now, so I don't know if they rang at that point, but certainly, erm, you know, I certainly asked them to, about perhaps sort of maybe about ten past ten maybe.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

[G-Unit]

Kate was giving a description of  what happened after they found Madeline missing.  She described what they did, and what they thought.   They genuinely THOUGHT that the police had been called at around 10.10. so she wasn't lying in her book.       The fact that many months later it was shown that the first phone call was at 10.41 does not make any difference to what she believed at the time.

I wonder why she didn't mention in the book that although they thought the call had been made at 10.10pm, it was not actually made until 10.41pm? She had been in possession of the released files for some time before the book was published.

[pathfinder73]

I wonder why she didn't mention in the book that although they thought the call had been made at 10.10pm, it was not actually made until 10.41pm? She had been in possession of the released files for some time before the book was published.

Exactly but nothing's changed. They still have Tannerman on their website. Fenn hearing Madeleine crying is not in their book nor what time they got back to the apartment that night. It is not an account of the FULL truth only what they want you to know after cross-checking everything against the files not to implicate themselves. She now looks out of the window after knowing her fingerprints were found in the files. You have to slide the window to open it where fingerprints were discovered. No glove marks dear dear dear. And why haven't they been released? The fund paid from public money.

[Lace]

It was Matt.

I said, you've got to phone the Police, you know, a child's been taken, and they went, oh no, she's probably just sort of woken up and he thought she's probably sort of wandered off or something like that and you thought, yeah, maybe you're right, maybe you're right, erm, can you please, it was sort of, it was kind of, it was sort a weird kind of lack of urgency, you know, he'd ring, but you had to sort and stand there and say, ring now, ring now, so I don't know if they rang at that point, but certainly, erm, you know, I certainly asked them to, about perhaps sort of maybe about ten past ten maybe.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

Yes,  it was Matt,  I was just going to alter my post thank you PF.

[Benice]

I wonder why she didn't mention in the book that although they thought the call had been made at 10.10pm, it was not actually made until 10.41pm? She had been in possession of the released files for some time before the book was published.

Because she was giving a description of what happened that night - what they did and what they thought.  She wasn't talking about anything else other than that.     If you have read her book you would realise that.

Even when she got the files, she would still think 10.10 was the correct time as 2 of the staff - including  the person who made the calls -  confirm it in their statements.  It wouldn't be until - ( if and when) she saw the Telephone record that she would realise they were mistaken.            However, none of that changes what they did and what they believed to be the events on the night of the 3rd as they happened -  which was what she was exclusively describing in her book in that particular chapter.   

To accuse her of lying about the times in her book (which another poster did) - on the grounds that info which showed she was wrong -  but which she didn't know about until many moons later   - is  grossly unfair IMO.

AIMO

[pathfinder73]

Because she was giving a description of what happened that night - what they did and what they thought.  She wasn't talking about anything else other than that.     If you have read her book you would realise that.

Even when she got the files, she would still think 10.10 was the correct time as 2 of the staff - including  the person who made the calls -  confirm it in their statements.  It wouldn't be until - ( if and when) she saw the Telephone record that she would realise they were mistaken.            However, none of that changes what they did and what they believed to be the events on the night of the 3rd as they happened -  which was what she was exclusively describing in her book in that particular chapter.   

To accuse her of lying about the times in her book (which another poster did) - on the grounds that info which showed she was wrong -  but which she didn't know about until many moons later   - is  grossly unfair IMO.

AIMO

How would she know they were called? Why didn't she ring Matt to find out if the police were on their way? He was at reception. They had mobiles but they weren't used until gone 11pm. The PJ couldn't find any bloody calls the next day except one on Kate's phone but not on Gerry's. How much abnormal behaviour do you want? You don't ring to find out but you wipe phone call history. Dear dear dear!

[Benice]

How would she know they were called? Why didn't she ring Matt to find out if the police were on their way? He was at reception. They had mobiles but they weren't used until gone 11pm. The PJ couldn't find any bloody calls the next day except one on Kate's phone but not on Gerry's. How much abnormal behaviour do you want? You don't ring to find out but you wipe phone call history. Dear dear dear!

Why would she be interested in confirming during all that mayhem what time Matt went to phone the police?  As far as she knew she already knew the time.  That's a ridiculous suggestion IMO - she did have other things on her mind  in case you have forgotten   Once again you are using hindsight which they didn't have at the time - and also expecting them all to be completely unaffected by what had just happened.   So unrealistic IMO.

I know nothing about mobile phones, but IIRC some mobiles only allowed a limited no. of call/messages(?) to be stored and so to make room for new calls at such a time seems sensible to me.

Must go out now.
 

[Alice Purjorick]

One needs a keen sense of the ridiculous when digesting the content of this thread.
A bunch of professional intelligentsia, as we are oft advised by a few posters, allegedly trained to act decisively and think lucidly in emergencies:
One delegates the task of phoning the police to another and/or there is a chat about who should make a call or indeed if a call should be made and to whom. It is not quite clear and no one really seems to know what happened with any degree of certainty.
We are led to believe none of them knew the emergency phone number !
The time of the first phone call, alleged to be before 10:41, was not known or recorded by either the OC or the mobile phone from which the call was made, whichever.
The police recorded the incorrect time because they were incompetent or, even at such early doors, were already involved in a conspiracy of events before they even knew what the event was.
All the protagonists reacted in the same way, panic!. Nary a one was of the type who in an emergency has a hyper-arousal of the senses and thinks lucidly and acts accordingly?

I guess in the absence of anything else reasonable, one would be inclined to believe 10:41.

[Brietta]

One needs a keen sense of the ridiculous when digesting the content of this thread.
A bunch of professional intelligentsia, as we are oft advised by a few posters, allegedly trained to act decisively and think lucidly in emergencies:
One delegates the task of phoning the police to another and/or there is a chat about who should make a call or indeed if a call should be made and to whom. It is not quite clear and no one really seems to know what happened with any degree of certainty.
We are led to believe none of them knew the emergency phone number !
The time of the first phone call, alleged to be before 10:41, was not known or recorded by either the OC or the mobile phone from which the call was made, whichever.
The police recorded the incorrect time because they were incompetent or, even at such early doors, were already involved in a conspiracy of events before they even knew what the event was.
All the protagonists reacted in the same way, panic!. Nary a one was of the type who in an emergency has a hyper-arousal of the senses and thinks lucidly and acts accordingly?

I guess in the absence of anything else reasonable, one would be inclined to believe 10:41.

Good to see you back, refreshed and in relatively good form.

Yeah ... it is a bit ridiculous that this group of professionals were responding to an emergency situation in a foreign land by running around like headless chickens ... just as us 'normal chavs' would have done if one of our children had gone missing from her bed.

[Alice Purjorick]

Good to see you back, refreshed and in relatively good form.

Yeah ... it is a bit ridiculous that this group of professionals were responding to an emergency situation in a foreign land by running around like headless chickens ... just as us 'normal chavs' would have done if one of our children had gone missing from her bed.

I can believe and excuse the parents going into flight rather than fight mode under the circumstances but everyone else too? That does take some believing.
I find it odd, that seemingly in this group of above average highly trained people not one seems to have instinctively known where to start. Like with so many other issues in this case most points of argument are justified on the basis of being able to have ones bun and ones ha'penny when it suits; quite admirably demonstrated in your line about the intelligentsia behaving like a bunch of chavs. The point is they had been trained at some considerable expense not to, so if they did why did they?

[jassi]

Not too headless  to be unable to phone all the right people, though.

[Brietta]

I can believe and excuse the parents going into flight rather than fight mode under the circumstances but everyone else too? That does take some believing.
I find it odd, that seemingly in this group of above average highly trained people not one seems to have instinctively known where to start. Like with so many other issues in this case most points of argument are justified on the basis of being able to have ones bun and ones ha'penny when it suits; quite admirably demonstrated in your line about the intelligentsia behaving like a bunch of chavs. The point is they had been trained at some considerable expense not to, so if they did why did they?

They actually did what the manuals said ... they searched the immediate environs ... they phoned the authorities or rather they thought they did.   http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6160.0

Wouldn't it be great if we could turn the clock back to 'what might have been' or 'I wish I had done that' or 'I wish I hadn't done that'.

What's done is done and rehashing it ad nauseam does no good for anyone, particularly Madeleine McCann. 

Fortunately Scotland Yard and the Polícia Judiciária have managed to progress and are conducting their inquiries in the present day real time which stands a far better chance of helping to find Madeleine than wallowing in the events of 2007 for a favoured pastime of getting the boot right into her parents.

[pathfinder73]

Why would she be interested in confirming during all that mayhem what time Matt went to phone the police?  As far as she knew she already knew the time.  That's a ridiculous suggestion IMO - she did have other things on her mind  in case you have forgotten   Once again you are using hindsight which they didn't have at the time - and also expecting them all to be completely unaffected by what had just happened.   So unrealistic IMO.

I know nothing about mobile phones, but IIRC some mobiles only allowed a limited no. of call/messages(?) to be stored and so to make room for new calls at such a time seems sensible to me.

Must go out now.

She was quick to get Dianne to check shutters instead of calling cops. But Smithman was out somewhere then wasn't he?

[G-Unit]

I can believe and excuse the parents going into flight rather than fight mode under the circumstances but everyone else too? That does take some believing.
I find it odd, that seemingly in this group of above average highly trained people not one seems to have instinctively known where to start. Like with so many other issues in this case most points of argument are justified on the basis of being able to have ones bun and ones ha'penny when it suits; quite admirably demonstrated in your line about the intelligentsia behaving like a bunch of chavs. The point is they had been trained at some considerable expense not to, so if they did why did they?

You only have to read Matthew's pathetic description of speaking to the receptionist. No insistence, no standing over the guy and saying 'phone the police now!'. I think Brietta's so-called 'chavs' would have done a much better job, they would have had him by the throat in minutes.

[Alfred R Jones]

So, is the purpose of this thread simply to criticise the McCanns' friends for not being together enough to insist the police were called immediately, using force if necessary?