At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?

[Anna]

You only have to read Matthew's pathetic description of speaking to the receptionist. No insistence, no standing over the guy and saying 'phone the police now!'. I think Brietta's so-called 'chavs' would have done a much better job, they would have had him by the throat in minutes.

so Fiona, I think, asked me to go and phone the Police, so I actually went down the route to where she would have gone for Nursery drop off, which his back to the, to the main reception essentially, so I went down that route looking for her at that time and I asked the reception to phone the Police, and that must have been about five past, it’s difficult to know what time it was at that time, but maybe about ten past ten, five past ten, ten past ten”.
00.51.10 4078 “Quite quick then?”
Reply “Yeah, sort of pretty much, you know, straight away, erm, I think it was only, but then it was a kind of, it was surreal when you got there, I said, you’ve got to phone the Police, you know, a child’s been taken, and they went, oh no, she’s probably just sort of woken up and he thought she’s probably sort of wandered off or something like that and you thought, yeah, maybe you’re right, maybe you’re right, erm, can you please, it was sort of, it was kind of, it was sort a weird kind of lack of urgency, you know, he’d ring, but you had to sort and stand there and say, ring now, ring now, so I don’t know if they rang at that point, but certainly, erm, you know, I certainly asked them to, about perhaps sort of maybe about ten past ten maybe.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post476.html#p476

[Alice Purjorick]

So, is the purpose of this thread simply to criticise the McCanns' friends for not being together enough to insist the police were called immediately, using force if necessary?

No!

[lordpookles]

I do wonder if the papers have some info/source material we are not privy too as i've read the time described as indisputably 10.14 when the police were first contacted. This 10.14 time always quoted should have come from somewhere? I suspect it was the time when OC reception were first approached, but did not in fact call it in till 10.41. Although, the 10.14 and 10:41 is a bit of a coincidence and looks like minutes have simply been reversed. Also, the time in both cases is very specific as if the time is quoted in either case from a spreadsheet or readout and not from a witness who would surely say 10.15.

[Anna]

I do wonder if the papers have some info/source material we are not privy too as i've read the time described as indisputably 10.14 when the police were first contacted. This 10.14 time always quoted should have come from somewhere? I suspect it was the time when OC reception were first approached, but did not in fact call it in till 10.41.

Here possibly, but what difference does it make to anything now?

so Fiona, I think, asked me to go and phone the Police, so I actually went down the route to where she would have gone for Nursery drop off, which his back to the, to the main reception essentially, so I went down that route looking for her at that time and I asked the reception to phone the Police, and that must have been about five past, it’s difficult to know what time it was at that time, but maybe about ten past ten, five past ten, ten past ten”.
00.51.10 4078 “Quite quick then?”
Reply “Yeah, sort of pretty much, you know, straight away, erm, I think it was only, but then it was a kind of, it was surreal when you got there, I said, you’ve got to phone the Police, you know, a child’s been taken, and they went, oh no, she’s probably just sort of woken up and he thought she’s probably sort of wandered off or something like that and you thought, yeah, maybe you’re right, maybe you’re right, erm, can you please, it was sort of, it was kind of, it was sort a weird kind of lack of urgency, you know, he’d ring, but you had to sort and stand there and say, ring now, ring now, so I don’t know if they rang at that point, but certainly, erm, you know, I certainly asked them to, about perhaps sort of maybe about ten past ten maybe.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post476.html#p476

[lordpookles]

Here possibly, but what difference does it make to anything now?

so Fiona, I think, asked me to go and phone the Police, so I actually went down the route to where she would have gone for Nursery drop off, which his back to the, to the main reception essentially, so I went down that route looking for her at that time and I asked the reception to phone the Police, and that must have been about five past, it’s difficult to know what time it was at that time, but maybe about ten past ten, five past ten, ten past ten”.
00.51.10 4078 “Quite quick then?”
Reply “Yeah, sort of pretty much, you know, straight away, erm, I think it was only, but then it was a kind of, it was surreal when you got there, I said, you’ve got to phone the Police, you know, a child’s been taken, and they went, oh no, she’s probably just sort of woken up and he thought she’s probably sort of wandered off or something like that and you thought, yeah, maybe you’re right, maybe you’re right, erm, can you please, it was sort of, it was kind of, it was sort a weird kind of lack of urgency, you know, he’d ring, but you had to sort and stand there and say, ring now, ring now, so I don’t know if they rang at that point, but certainly, erm, you know, I certainly asked them to, about perhaps sort of maybe about ten past ten maybe.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post476.html#p476

Nope, It doesn't matter. There you go then the OC staff were reluctant to phone the police immediately. I was more interested in why the papers all report it so. Phone call made to police at 10.14. I think the papers have for whatever reason knocked 30 minutes off the time or reversed the numbers. It's just interesting that they all say this exact time.

[lordpookles]

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[Anna]

It doesn't matter. There you go then the OC staff were reluctant to phone the police immediately. I was more interested in why the papers all report it so. Phone call made to police at 10.14. I think the papers have for whatever reason knocked 30 minutes off the time or reversed the numbers. It's just interesting that they all say this exact time.

It is possible that one newspaper seeing 10.41 and comparing it with reports of the OC staff being informed at 10.10 ish, assumed that the former timing was back to front ie: 41=14. I believe that would start the ball rolling.

[lordpookles]

Yeah that would work. Seems like bad standards though and guesswork? Especially for serious papers I would think. I do suspect that initially one paper uses a figure and the others copy, so it gets repeated and becomes fact.

[jassi]

I'm happy in the knowledge that the investigating police will know exactly when the calls were made, irrespective of what the media might say.

[Anna]

Yeah that would work. Seems like bad standards though and guesswork? Especially for serious papers I would think. I do suspect that initially one paper uses a figure and the others copy, so it gets repeated and becomes fact.

That is indeed, how it usually works LP, but apart from blaming one or another for the lateness of calling the police. It is of no importance now IMO

[lordpookles]

Important to the police perhaps if the McCanns are being investigated, but largely more important I suspect to current investigators, because the child could have been missing for 1hr+ before they were called. Madeleine could have been 80 miles away by then. Though, from what we have seen all the signs seem to point to a more local connection.

[pathfinder73]

It is possible that one newspaper seeing 10.41 and comparing it with reports of the OC staff being informed at 10.10 ish, assumed that the former timing was back to front ie: 41=14. I believe that would start the ball rolling.

Correct it is a typing error. 10:41 has changed to 10:14. Matt was told oh no she has probably wandered off when he asked them to call the police. But that doesn't stop them using their phone to call.

At about 22.17 I received a call from Lyndsey Johnson, the creche Manager, informing me that the girl had gone missing. I met Lyndsey and the Service Manager, Amy Tierney, near to the Tapas Bar and we initiated the 'Mark Warner procedures for the search of a missing child'.

I was told who the missing girl was and at the beginning of the procedure went to the McCann's apartment to obtain the girl's description and of the clothes she was wearing when she disappeared. When I arrived at the apartment, there was a lady on the terrace, whom I now know to be Kate McCann, accompanied by the wife of one of her friends, David Payne. Kate could not say a word, looked very upset and about to cry. It was Mrs Payne who provided me with the details that I needed.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

So at around 10:20 only two were seen at 5A - Kate and Fiona. Dianne Webster is now in the Payne's apartment looking after their kids. At around 10:30 Gerry is talking to Pamela Fenn at 5A. Minutes later manager John Hill arrives at 5A and they make their way to main reception to call the police at 10:41.

[Anna]

Important to the police perhaps if the McCanns are being investigated, but largely more important I suspect to current investigators, because the child could have been missing for 1hr+ before they were called. Madeleine could have been 80 miles away by then. Though, from what we have seen all the signs seem to point to a more local connection.

Where do you get 1hr+ from LP? Matt's statement says 10.10 ish the police were phoned at 10.41 =31 mins difference

The child disappeared(discovered) 10pm police eventually called (after J Hill arrived) 10.41 =41 mins according to phone records.

[lordpookles]

Ah no I just mean't Madeleine could feasibly have been an abducted an 1hr+ earlier before police were eventually called. If she was abducted straight after Gerry's check for instance.

[Anna]

Ah no I just mean't Madeleine could feasibly have been an abducted an 1hr+ earlier before police were eventually called. If she was abducted straight after Gerry's check for instance.

Of course LP. I see what you mean now.
Yes I agree that it was very possibly after 9.30pm, that she disappeared.
 I often wonder if JT got muddled (when she saw a man with a child) with her check at 9.15 and the one about 9.40 when she went to take over from Russ who was tending their child. We will never know.