Who were the witnesses who saw a man loitering near the McCann's apartment ?

[alphonse]

I also think Jeremy Wilkins said he was talking to Gerry and Russell at  20.00 on the Wednesday in Tapas and they told him about the checking. We have no real way of knowing how many people were aware of the checking. I suspect the perp was aware. Of course I could be wrong.

[barrier]

Re the Tapas group and entry to the Mc Cann flat by patio doors: if memory serves me correctly Russell says he went in through the patio doors on the Sunday night.Either he or Matt says he remembers the ´´change of routine ´´ by the Mc Canns being mentioned at the table maybe on the Monday. Jane Tanner says she was not told but came to that conclusion. Why? Simples. They are all eating and drinking together. They get up to leave. All of them go together. The rest go up the street to the car park etc. Where do the Mc Canns go?  Up the steps to their patio.

 Cites? You must be joking- it´s all in their endless statements.

RO says in the first interview the windows and sliding doors to their apartment was always locked,adding as he understood it GM+KM used the sliding doors because it was easier.

[barrier]

I also think Jeremy Wilkins said he was talking to Gerry and Russell at  20.00 on the Wednesday in Tapas and they told him about the checking. We have no real way of knowing how many people were aware of the checking. I suspect the perp was aware. Of course I could be wrong.

Quite possibly.

[alphonse]

Thanks Barrier. We all know the patio doors could not be locked from the outside as did ROB.

[Holly Goodhead]

I also think Jeremy Wilkins said he was talking to Gerry and Russell at  20.00 on the Wednesday in Tapas and they told him about the checking. We have no real way of knowing how many people were aware of the checking. I suspect the perp was aware. Of course I could be wrong.

I agee but I doubt the McCanns told anyone which door they used.  In the case of JW he probably became aware on the Thu as he saw GM around the gate and had previously been told about the checking arrangement. 

[barrier]

I agee but I doubt the McCanns told anyone which door they used.  In the case of JW he probably became aware on the Thu as he saw GM around the gate and had previously been told about the checking arrangement.

Yes, no mention of any door.

[Holly Goodhead]

Yes, no mention of any door.

It would be superfluous info but others who were able to see/hear the McCanns going in and out would know what was going on eg PF and then anyone she told eg her friend Edna Glyn.

[G-Unit]

PF who heard MM crying and calling 'daddy, daddy' for well over an hour on 1st May until she heard the patio doors slide open and the crying ceased.

How can you move from that to the idea that she knew they were leaving the doors unlocked every evening or that they had been left unlocked on that evening? I think that's adding 2 and two and making 5.

[barrier]

It would be superfluous info but others who were able to see/hear the McCanns going in and out would know what was going on eg PF and then anyone she told eg her friend Edna Glyn.

Is there independent witness's of any one using any doors?

[Holly Goodhead]

Is there independent witness's of any one using any doors?

PF heard a small child crying and calling daddy, daddy for over an hour starting at circa 10.30 pm on 1st May.  She didn't see the parents return but heard the patio doors slide open circa 11.45 pm when the crying ceased. 

Block 5 is built on a slope so anyone sitting on a first floor balcony would have an excellent view of those walking up FGM.  PF's niece tells us in her police rog she sat on PF's balcony, along with her husband and PF,  around lunch-time on 29th Apr and 3rd May when the party might well have seen the McCanns and the 3 children return for lunch via the patio or whatever door they used.  KM tells us patio doors.

[Holly Goodhead]

How can you move from that to the idea that she knew they were leaving the doors unlocked every evening or that they had been left unlocked on that evening? I think that's adding 2 and two and making 5.

You tell PF then not me:

Apart from the crying that continued for approximately one hour and fifteen minutes, and which got louder and more expressive, the child shouted ?Daddy, Daddy?, the witness had no doubt that the noise came from the floor below. At about 23.45, an hour and fifteen minutes after the crying began, she heard the parents arrive, she did not see them, but she heard the patio doors open, she was quite worried as the crying had gone on for more than an hour and had gradually got worse.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAMELA_FENN.htm

[Holly Goodhead]

How can you move from that to the idea that she knew they were leaving the doors unlocked every evening or that they had been left unlocked on that evening? I think that's adding 2 and two and making 5.

I didn't say she knew the patio doors were unlocked every night but I think it's fairly obvious she knew the McCanns returned via patio doors on 1st May.

[Holly Goodhead]

And why would PF worry about the crying and call a friend to discuss if she thought the parents or other adult tasked with caring for the children were inside? 

 

[barrier]

PF heard a small child crying and calling daddy, daddy for over an hour starting at circa 10.30 pm on 1st May.  She didn't see the parents return but heard the patio doors slide open circa 11.45 pm when the crying ceased. 

Block 5 is built on a slope so anyone sitting on a first floor balcony would have an excellent view of those walking up FGM.  PF's niece tells us in her police rog she sat on PF's balcony, along with her husband and PF,  around lunch-time on 29th Apr and 3rd May when the party might well have seen the McCanns and the 3 children return for lunch via the patio or whatever door they used.  KM tells us patio doors.

I thought they said they used the locked front door during the day.

[G-Unit]

I didn't say she knew the patio doors were unlocked every night but I think it's fairly obvious she knew the McCanns returned via patio doors on 1st May.

She told the police that on 20th August. By then the information about the patio doors being used was known to the general public. She may well have concluded after the event that what she had heard was the parents returning.