Who were the witnesses who saw a man loitering near the McCann's apartment ?

[Holly Goodhead]

I thought they said they used the locked front door during the day.

Regardless of which door they used during the day all amenities used meant they were walking up FGM and if PF was on her balcony they would no doubt observe the McCann entourage.

PF was cleary aware:

When questioned, she said that she never heard any arguments between the couple or with their children. She said that the family would spend much time outside of the apartment and therefore she did not notice their presence.
She said that until that night she had never spoken to the McCann's, because up until the 3rd May, she only sometimes saw them walking in the street. She never saw them with any vehicle.

KM tells us in her PB that after the first couple of days they hardly used the front door. 

[barrier]

Regardless of which door they used during the day all amenities used meant they were walking up FGM and if PF was on her balcony they would no doubt observe the McCann entourage.

PF was cleary aware:

When questioned, she said that she never heard any arguments between the couple or with their children. She said that the family would spend much time outside of the apartment and therefore she did not notice their presence.
She said that until that night she had never spoken to the McCann's, because up until the 3rd May, she only sometimes saw them walking in the street. She never saw them with any vehicle.

KM tells us in her PB that after the first couple of days they hardly used the front door.

Which is at odds with the PJ statements by Gerry.

[Holly Goodhead]

She told the police that on 20th August. By then the information about the patio doors being used was known to the general public. She may well have concluded after the event that what she had heard was the parents returning.

I've always found a dearth of info re the patio doors but in any event I think she gave an accurate account of what she heard. 

Why would she invent, embellish etc?

[G-Unit]

If Mrs Fenn was sitting on her balcony what would she see? In my opinion her view of who was walking up the road was hampered by the walls of the Tapas complex and the height of the hedges of 5A. Only by leaning over her railings would she have been able to see anyone climbing the steps to the balcony of 5A.

[Holly Goodhead]

Which is at odds with the PJ statements by Gerry.

Yes there are a number of contradictions in the stats between GM and KM.  Some see it as evidence of involvement.  I see GM trying to play down his stupidity in leaving the children in the unsecured apartment. 

[Holly Goodhead]

If Mrs Fenn was sitting on her balcony what would she see? In my opinion her view of who was walking up the road was hampered by the walls of the Tapas complex and the height of the hedges of 5A. Only by leaning over her railings would she have been able to see anyone climbing the steps to the balcony of 5A.

And there she is leaning over her balcony!

I think perhaps people underestimate the gradient.  I think PF would see people walking up and down FGM without having to hang over her balcony.  In terms of those leaving/arriving 5A she couldn't help but hear the gates opening and closing, patio doors slide open and general chatter especially with 2 adults and 3 children.   

[G-Unit]

Yes there are a number of contradictions in the stats between GM and KM.  Some see it as evidence of involvement.  I see GM trying to play down his stupidity in leaving the children in the unsecured apartment.

The contradictions are a fact. The explanations are opinions. Opinions can't be used to rule people in or out of an investigation.

[Holly Goodhead]

The contradictions are a fact. The explanations are opinions. Opinions can't be used to rule people in or out of an investigation.

Contradictions and inconsistencies exist in the statements of others too!

If opinions can't be used to rule people in and out of an investigation how do you account for those that were made arguidos and interviewed? 

[Mr Gray]

The contradictions are a fact. The explanations are opinions. Opinions can't be used to rule people in or out of an investigation.

Options are used to find people guilty or not guilty so you are a million miles wide of the mark

[Anthro]

She told the police that on 20th August. By then the information about the patio doors being used was known to the general public. She may well have concluded after the event that what she had heard was the parents returning.

Also, how could Mrs Fenn be certain it was the parents returning and the crying stopped? Over a period of five days, Madeleine would have had contact with many people whom she would learn to trust and recognise them/him/her as such, and finding comfort in them/him/her trying to soothe her.

[ShiningInLuz]

How do you think the authorities were able to identify the two Russians supposedly linked to the poising in Salisbury?

Neither country is in the Schengen Zone.

I still don't have anything in my passport, and I can travel within the Schengen Zone without any border check.

This has been covered on the forum extensively in the past.  Perhaps you should do a search and get a 101 before pronouncing further.

[barrier]

Yes there are a number of contradictions in the stats between GM and KM.  Some see it as evidence of involvement.  I see GM trying to play down his stupidity in leaving the children in the unsecured apartment.

It was a bit late for that.

[Holly Goodhead]

Neither country is in the Schengen Zone.

I still don't have anything in my passport, and I can travel within the Schengen Zone without any border check.

This has been covered on the forum extensively in the past.  Perhaps you should do a search and get a 101 before pronouncing further.

The UK isn't and never has been in the Schengen area. 

[Holly Goodhead]

Also, how could Mrs Fenn be certain it was the parents returning and the crying stopped? Over a period of five days, Madeleine would have had contact with many people whom she would learn to trust and recognise them/he/her as such, and finding comfort in them/he/her trying to soothe her.

Who do you think Mrs Fenn might have heard entering 5A at circa 11.45 pm?

[ShiningInLuz]

The UK isn't and never has been in the Schengen area.

Nor Russia.  Precisely my point.