Who were the witnesses who saw a man loitering near the McCann's apartment ?

[Holly Goodhead]

Nor Russia.  Precisely my point.

I'm talking about a witness who claimed she and her husband flew to Portugal on 28th April from UK and returned on 5th May.  Unlike those who went with MW these people did not have a package deal and I would have expected UK authorities to corroborate via passports/airline.   

[jassi]

I'm talking about a witness who claimed she and her husband flew to Portugal on 28th April from UK and returned on 5th May.  Unlike those who went with MW these people did not have a package deal and I would have expected UK authorities to corroborate via passports/airline.   

Do you have evidence that they didn't ?

[Holly Goodhead]

Do you have evidence that they didn't ?

Well there's nothing in PJ files and no questions asked in police rog eg which airport flew in and out of. 

[barrier]

I'm talking about a witness who claimed she and her husband flew to Portugal on 28th April from UK and returned on 5th May.  Unlike those who went with MW these people did not have a package deal and I would have expected UK authorities to corroborate via passports/airline.   

Would this be the one who has been interviewed three times? Other news outlets are available.

Carole, 71, has been quizzed three times in the past by Portuguese and British officers about “the man acting suspiciously” at the Ocean Club in Portugal’s Praia da Luz.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9018686/madeleine-mccann-british-witness-saw-chief-suspect-helped-produce-cop-sketch-queens-friend/

[jassi]

Well there's nothing in PJ files and no questions asked in police rog eg which airport flew in and out of.

If they already knew, they wouldn't need to ask.
Many things are absent fro the files - allegedly

[G-Unit]

Contradictions and inconsistencies exist in the statements of others too!

If opinions can't be used to rule people in and out of an investigation how do you account for those that were made arguidos and interviewed?

I was referring to you ruling the McCanns out based on your opinion of what Gerry McCann was thinking.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1616.msg569281#msg569281

[Holly Goodhead]

I was referring to you ruling the McCanns out based on your opinion of what Gerry McCann was thinking.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1616.msg569281#msg569281

I've ruled out McCanns on the following basis:

- There's no evidence against them
- I can't see how the logistics would work in disposing of a body
- Why attract attention by orchestrating a high profile campaign?  Just allow it all to subside and be grateful for getting away with it. 

[Holly Goodhead]

If they already knew, they wouldn't need to ask.
Many things are absent fro the files - allegedly

How would they know without asking? 

We can see the questions Leicester police asked witnesses based on requests from PJ.  It wasn't for the UK police to investigate back in 2008.

[Holly Goodhead]

Would this be the one who has been interviewed three times? Other news outlets are available.

Carole, 71, has been quizzed three times in the past by Portuguese and British officers about “the man acting suspiciously” at the Ocean Club in Portugal’s Praia da Luz.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9018686/madeleine-mccann-british-witness-saw-chief-suspect-helped-produce-cop-sketch-queens-friend/

I don't believe CT has ever been interviewed by PJ?  I think she volunteered info to British police in 2007.  Leicester police subsequently met her in an office to take a wit stat re her 'suspicious man'. Reading police then followed up to produce an efit.

In 2008 Leicester police contacted CT to produce a rog stat as per PJ's request.

[Anthro]

Who do you think Mrs Fenn might have heard entering 5A at circa 11.45 pm?

Of course I do not know, Holly. It could have been her parent/s, friend/s of the parents, child care worker/s, neighbour/s,    a concerned passer-by. I think Madeleine would have latched onto various people during that period.

[sadie]

You mean there wasn’t a single inconsistency in his or his mother’s account, or details of his ancestors’ past that could be forensically scrutinised and presented as a theory of involvement ?  I’m sure you could do so if you wanted to.

   Interesting.

When I last visited the Algarve, I actually saw RM in a very interesting up market, semi private place, over 20 miles from his home.  As we drove past, he waved to us.  Must have thought that we were residents.

Of course, he may only have been making a social call, but this quiet area was over 20 miles from home.  Quite a coincidence.   We saw no other person there in this interesting place; a cul de sac ...not one.


It did interest me because I had specially visited this quiet place for a reason ... and also when I mentioned it on forum, saying  that he was tall,  someone on here immediately posted an image of him making his legs way shorter.  It was a very crude amateur and obvious alteration of a photo designed to try to make him look short.

Now that also interested me.  Why would anyone dash to produce a 'fake' image of him to make him look short?


Also the GE images of the area have been changed, very professionally ... and that has interested me too.   



I don't expect any of you will believe me; some of you make a profession of denouncing and rubbishing me and everything I say.


And with those that do, I tend to look at a little closer at them 

Tin hat on and bunkered down. 




Unfortunately wont be around much to smile at any comments.

[Brietta]

And there she is leaning over her balcony!

I think perhaps people underestimate the gradient.  I think PF would see people walking up and down FGM without having to hang over her balcony.  In terms of those leaving/arriving 5A she couldn't help but hear the gates opening and closing, patio doors slide open and general chatter especially with 2 adults and 3 children.

Looking at the photograph it is difficult to see how Mrs Fenn was able to have a conversation with those on the McCann balcony immediately beneath her but she certainly was able to and did.
Therefore I think you are right that she could see far more than we think she could and the gradient would  help to explain why.

[Myster]

  Interesting.

When I last visited the Algarve, I actually saw RM in a very interesting up market, semi private place, over 20 miles from his home.  As we drove past, he waved to us.  Must have thought that we were residents.

Of course, he may only have been making a social call, but this quiet area was over 20 miles from home.  Quite a coincidence.   We saw no other person there in this interesting place; a cul de sac ...not one.


It did interest me because I had specially visited this quiet place for a reason ... and also when I mentioned it on forum, saying  that he was tall,  someone on here immediately posted an image of him making his legs way shorter.  It was a very crude amateur and obvious alteration of a photo designed to try to make him look short.

Now that also interested me.  Why would anyone dash to produce a 'fake' image of him to make him look short?


Also the GE images of the area have been changed, very professionally ... and that has interested me too.   



I don't expect any of you will believe me; some of you make a profession of denouncing and rubbishing me and everything I say.


And with those that do, I tend to look at a little closer at them 

Tin hat on and bunkered down. 




Unfortunately wont be around much to smile at any comments.

Oh, here we go again.  Conspiracy theories by the bucketful.  Do you think these have been altered?... RM is stocky, So what?
https://www.shutterstock.com/editorial/image-editorial/robert-murat-at-the-high-court-where-he-was-awarded-substantial-damages-from-11-newspapers-over-their-coverage-of-the-disappearance-of-madeline-mccann-london-britain-17-jul-2008-782937f

https://solarpix.photoshelter.com/image/I00006DyM0gZ5KOs

[Miss Taken Identity]

I've ruled out McCanns on the following basis:

- There's no evidence against them
- I can't see how the logistics would work in disposing of a body
- Why attract attention by orchestrating a high profile campaign?

 Just allow it all to subside and be grateful for getting away with it.

That question could be asked of that murdering b@stard Philpot!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3707309/mick-philpott-derby-fire-manslaughter-children-jail/
 The rat loved and courted publicity- even provided crocodile tears


"
 Just allow it all to subside and be grateful for getting away with it"

They couldn't do that they had to protect their image by explaining to family and work colleagues ALSO, the pj were not buying it, hence why they began their campaign to discredit the PJ. Attack the best for of defense. Is how it all seems to me.

[Mr Gray]

That question could be asked of that murdering b@stard Philpot!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3707309/mick-philpott-derby-fire-manslaughter-children-jail/
 The rat loved and courted publicity- even provided crocodile tears


"
 Just allow it all to subside and be grateful for getting away with it"

They couldn't do that they had to protect their image by explaining to family and work colleagues ALSO, the pj were not buying it, hence why they began their campaign to discredit the PJ. Attack the best for of defense. Is how it all seems to me.

I think you are quite mistaken....do you think Philpott would have kept the investigation in the limelight for 12 years had he not been caught......i think Holly is spot on in this case