So how did the abductor enter and leave the apartment?

[Luz]

Tch, tch

You really don't understand, do you?! By now you should have become acquainted with the "methods" invoked/used by one of the most devoted portuguese defenders of the "McCann abduction myth", Mr. Aragão Correia, the psychic lawyer (you know, the one that had a vision that the child had been abducted, killed and drowned in a dam?!).

The abductor simply used magic. Now he was not there, like everyone can rationally envisage after reading the depositions of the caring Tapas parents, and then there he was, behind a door that didn't leave space but for a 2 dimension character, as Mr. McCann remembered months later.

You people lack imagination.
He didn't have a body, it was a phantom,...easy to enter and leave rooms.

[sadie]

The FRONT DOOR was used almost without doubt.  Only Amaral and Pat Brown and [ censored word ]s suggest the window for their agenda.

See new thread

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1963.0

THE FRONT DOOR - WAY IN AND WAY OUT for abductor






Sorry I have been away for a while.  Important guests and a broken computer.  Because of guests, hubby unable to find time to repair computer.  Many hours spent and now a new modem fitted ... so fingers crossed.

[AnneGuedes]

IMO Gerry had a tiny little bit of hope that Madeleine might just have opened the shutters and window  herself - because he thought they could not be opened from the outside.  So he tried them and found to his horror that they could be opened from the outside - and so that tiny little bit of hope was gone.

Goodnight Anne.

So Mr McCann had a "tiny little hope" and tested it first thing before worrying seriously and starting to think he should ask someone to call the police ? Is it the famous British composure ?
Good night, Benice !

[sadie]

Tch, tch

You really don't understand, do you?! By now you should have become acquainted with the "methods" invoked/used by one of the most devoted portuguese defenders of the "McCann abduction myth", Mr. Aragão Correia, the psychic lawyer (you know, the one that had a vision that the child had been abducted, killed and drowned in a dam?!).

The abductor simply used magic. Now he was not there, like everyone can rationally envisage after reading the depositions of the caring Tapas parents, and then there he was, behind a door that didn't leave space but for a 2 dimension character, as Mr. McCann remembered months later.

You people lack imagination.
He didn't have a body, it was a phantom,...easy to enter and leave rooms.

After what you have done Luz, defacing Madeleines posters in PdL like you did, how dare you have the face to say such nasty things about peeps who were trying to help.

There are sufficient people who witnessed what you boasted about, tearing the posters down and defacing them to obscure the contact numbers etc. Enough witnesses for me to be safe to say that.

[Luz]

They had full view of the patio and steps up to the patio doors.  They were only 50 metres away.  They were within earshot.  Had any of the children yelled them they would have heard.

It was illuminated by the nearby street lamp which was in line with the steps and patio.   The sitting room light was left on.  The patio doors were closed and an attempt was made to close the curtains over these doors.  Now I have tried very very hard and I am unable to close the curtains inside the room when I slide my patio doors closed from the outside.  Can you fully close your curtains from outside when you close your patio doors Faith?

So here we have a situation where the curtains are partially open with a light on in the room.   Anyone trying to get in would be silhouetted in that gap by the lights inside.  No abductor would risk that in full view.  So the Mccanns would feel completely safe.    Think about it Faith.

In the sleepy little place that PdL was it felt safe.

Amaral himself, when he was trying to prove his theory that no abductor went into the apartment, said that no abductor would dare to go in via the patio doors cos Kate and Gerry were too close and overlooked the patio doors

I understand that in the Uk people can hardly differentiate the difference between yards and meters.
I'm fed up with reading that the restaurant was 50 m, 100 m.. away. Either you all live in dolls houses or your vision of distances has suffered a twist.

The back of the apartment to the restaurant is at the minimum 200 m. From that to the front door is more than 500 m.

"Within earshot" when you are in a noisy restaurant and your children are more than 500 m away inside an apartment, in a room whose window is in the opposite direction?

There is no lamp street close to the back stairs that lead to the sitting room; There is no deposition that the sitting room lights were on (which would be ridiculous when they argued, when trying to impinge that they left the patio doors open was because the children had a light sleep and opening the front door with the key could awake them - a poor excuse since G.McC said to have used the front door and the key); there is no document that attests that the curtains were attempted to be closed.

Geeeeeeezzzzzzzzzz

....you people are too creative, aren't you?

[Luz]

The FRONT DOOR was used almost without doubt.  Only Amaral and Pat Brown and [ censored word ]s suggest the window for their agenda.

See new thread

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1963.0

THE FRONT DOOR - WAY IN AND WAY OUT for abductor






Sorry I have been away for a while.  Important guests and a broken computer.  Because of guests, hubby unable to find time to repair computer.  Many hours spent and now a new modem fitted ... so fingers crossed.

The only people invoking the blasted window were the Tapas & family.

[Chinagirl]

The back of the apartment to the restaurant is at the minimum 200 m. From that to the front door is more than 500 m.

This is an absolute lie, Luz, and you know it.


  http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.co ... act%22%209

There is a well known clip of Martin Brunt walking the distance while counting his steps.  He did it in 80 paces. 

 
 

[Albertini]

The FRONT DOOR was used almost without doubt.  Only Amaral and Pat Brown and [ censored word ]s suggest the window for their agenda.

See new thread

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1963.0

THE FRONT DOOR - WAY IN AND WAY OUT for abductor






Sorry I have been away for a while.  Important guests and a broken computer.  Because of guests, hubby unable to find time to repair computer.  Many hours spent and now a new modem fitted ... so fingers crossed.

I ask again, were any of the keys for the front door registered as lost, missing or stolen either at the time or since?

I have posed the question a few times without getting an answer.

[John]

The back of the apartment to the restaurant is at the minimum 200 m. From that to the front door is more than 500 m.

This is an absolute lie, Luz, and you know it.


  http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.co ... act%22%209

There is a well known clip of Martin Brunt walking the distance while counting his steps.  He did it in 80 paces.

Very true Chinagirl.  The distance has been measured and confirmed several times over by others on the ground.

The distance from the patio to the tapas bar is 50 metres as the crow flies ie in a straight line across the pool. The actual distance walking it by the shortest route is 70 metres.

There is indeed a streetlight directly across the public road from the pedestrian gate which leads to the 5a patio.  However, photographic evidence shows that the angle is such that the light from this lamp only illuminates the gate and a couple of steps nearest the street.  This streetlight does NOT shed any light on the patio itself.

[stephen25000]

Very true Chinagirl.  The distance has been measured and confirmed several times over by others on the ground.

The distance from the patio to the tapas bar is 50 metres as the crow flies ie in a straight line across the pool. The actual distance walking it by the shortest route is 70 metres.

What ever way you look at that,it was inexcusable.

50 or 70 metres, he children were unprotected and it was effectively unlocked.

[Benice]

So Mr McCann had a "tiny little hope" and tested it first thing before worrying seriously and starting to think he should ask someone to call the police ? Is it the famous British composure ?
Good night, Benice !

No its called normal behaviour Anne.   Over the years I've read lots of posts from mothers who have 'lost' their little ones whilst out shopping, or on the beach etc etc - thankfully only for a very short time before the were re-united.   I've never read one where the first thing the mother did when she realised her child was missing was to ring the police.   Instead they all ran round searching frantically for their children.   Their posts were to describe the horrific emotions of fear and panic they experienced until their children 'reappeared'.

5A was not a crime scene until after it was established that Madeleine was not anywhere in the apartment or outside in it's immediate vicinity    We write knowing that she was not going to be found, but they didn't know that at the time - so of course they would first check everywhere before ringing the police -  and that included Gerry checking the shutters - which must have taken him all of 10 seconds.

[John]

I ask again, were any of the keys for the front door registered as lost, missing or stolen either at the time or since?

I have posed the question a few times without getting an answer.

I think the answer simply is we don't know.

[John]

No its called normal behaviour Anne.   Over the years I've read lots of posts from mothers who have 'lost' their little ones whilst out shopping, or on the beach etc etc - thankfully only for a very short time before the were re-united.   I've never read one where the first thing the mother did when she realised her child was missing was to ring the police.   Instead they all ran round searching frantically for their children.   Their posts were to describe the horrific emotions of fear and panic they experienced until their children 'reappeared'.

5A was not a crime scene until after it was established that Madeleine was not anywhere in the apartment or outside in it's immediate vicinity    We write knowing that she was not going to be found, but they didn't know that at the time - so of course they would first check everywhere before ringing the police -  and that included Gerry checking the shutters - which must have taken him all of 10 seconds.

This happened to me on a beach on Majorca when my 4-year-old decided to go walkies when my attention was otherwise diverted.  Blind panic sets in and you just search.

In my sons case the police found him and I got a rollicking in Spanish!

[Albertini]

I think the answer simply is we don't know.

But were any reported missing?

I think the fact that we haven't heard any reports of such indicate none were in fact missing.

Which of course does stretch the theory that someone got in through the front door with a key.

When did they get the key? How did they get the key? Did they have the key for 5A already, in which case what are the chances of them having a key for the very apartment the family were in who left their children unattended on a night?

I can't see how it can be considered a definite that the front door was used as entry when there is no shred of direct or indirect evidence (that i can see) to support that theory.

[Carana]

I understand that in the Uk people can hardly differentiate the difference between yards and meters.
I'm fed up with reading that the restaurant was 50 m, 100 m.. away. Either you all live in dolls houses or your vision of distances has suffered a twist.

The back of the apartment to the restaurant is at the minimum 200 m. From that to the front door is more than 500 m.

"Within earshot" when you are in a noisy restaurant and your children are more than 500 m away inside an apartment, in a room whose window is in the opposite direction?

There is no lamp street close to the back stairs that lead to the sitting room; There is no deposition that the sitting room lights were on (which would be ridiculous when they argued, when trying to impinge that they left the patio doors open was because the children had a light sleep and opening the front door with the key could awake them - a poor excuse since G.McC said to have used the front door and the key); there is no document that attests that the curtains were attempted to be closed.

Geeeeeeezzzzzzzzzz

....you people are too creative, aren't you?

Quite aside from the distances you mention (which are wild exaggerations) and I see that Chinagirl has already posted the Google Earth distances, there was a light on in the livingroom according to Matt's rog.

So I went back and did the check on five 'A', on Madeleine and the kids, erm, and went back through the patio entrance, so through the gate, through the patio doors, erm, there was, it was light enough to see through the apartment and there sort of a little table light on the right at the end of the sofa and when you walk into the room, you could see straight into it, because the door was open. Erm, I've spent a lot of time debating how far the door was open, from previous questioning, and, you know, it wasn't flat back against the wall, because that would have looked odd, it was just sort of halfway open, so it seemed slightly unusual that it should be so wide open, because you could see straight into the middle of the room from the angle that you approach it, because the, you've got sofas here and you've got a bookcase here and you have to come out, you've got sort of the wall of the bedroom and then it goes back where the bathroom is and then comes out again, so you've got to come out round this wall to sort of, not out round this wall, but you come in and the doorway is sort of recessed, so you can see pretty much straight into the room from the doorway back or certainly as soon as you get past that final wall.