Author Topic: Some speculating - What would you do if your 3-yr-old had a fatal accident while on holiday abroad?  (Read 24713 times)

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stephen25000

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If any of the  'facts gathered' were 'valid' the McCanns would have been arrested and charged.  There was no evidence whatsoever to support this 'theory'.   And the AG's Final report very clearly overruled the flawed Interim report.

If you agree with the 'accident' theory - then feel free to tell us how it was done.


Benice.

As you are well aware, the D.N.A. evidence was inconclusive, but there is nothing else on the horizon.

So as it stands, if you want the abduction thesis to be accepted as one possibility you should also accept the alternative, and SY have clearly not explained why they have apparently rejected that.

Offline Matthew Wyse

I could go with the accident theory except for one big problem and that is that the other seven would have to have been in on the cover up and that for me is most definitely a step too far.
Most people suspect the truth but few are able to admit it.

Offline Carana

Rubbish.

If Madeleine had been found dead as a result of an accident, whilst they left her unprotected along with her siblings, whilst out drinking and eating, and leaving them in an unlocked apartment  job over.

With the CRB check, they would never be allowed to work with children again.

Who amongst them worked with children?

AnneGuedes

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I could go with the accident theory except for one big problem and that is that the other seven would have to have been in on the cover up and that for me is most definitely a step too far.
I agree with this. The planned cover up by the seven isn't plausible.

AnneGuedes

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Who would know that Madeleine McCann ever existed if - pure hypothesis - her parents had called the emergency service following a fatal fall from the balcony ? The local British newspaper would probably have warned about the danger to leave unlocked an exit to a balcony or to leave the rail of the balcony without protection against falls. No details about the particular case, journalists respect grief.

Offline Albertini

If any of the  'facts gathered' were 'valid' the McCanns would have been arrested and charged.  There was no evidence whatsoever to support this 'theory'.   And the AG's Final report very clearly overruled the flawed Interim report.

If you agree with the 'accident' theory - then feel free to tell us how it was done.

Once again let us see the summary of the JUDGES in the book/libel trial:

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What is certain is that since the start of the investigation, there were incongruent and even contradictory situations concerning the witness statements, the telephone records of calls that were made and received on mobile phones that belonged to the couple and to the group of friends that were on holidays with them, the movements of people immediately after the disappearance of the little girl was noticed, concerning the state in which the bedroom from where the child disappeared from was found (closed window? open window? partially open window?), etc., and the mystery would only become even thicker due to the clues that were left by the aforementioned sniffer dogs."

"Where Amaral differs from the Prosecutors who wrote the dispatch, is in the logical, police-work-related and investigative interpretation that he [Amaral] makes of those facts."


"We need, to stress the following: the facts that led to the applicants' constitution as arguidos within the inquiry were later on not sufficiently valued by the Public Ministry's Prosecutors to lead to a criminal accusation, but those very same facts, seen from a different angle, may lead to a different conclusion from that of the prosecutors."

I have stated on here before i do not have all the facts with which to come up with a definitive account of how an accident occured and was subsequently covered up.

That is because the investigation was incomplete at the point of archiving and if i was an investigator on the case my next step would have been to carry out the reconstruction as well, to test the timings and theories of the statements.

What i do know is that the dogs alerted to something ONLY in the McCann's apartment and possessions and nowhere else. If you extrapolate the probability of error correctly on each alert, and on each alert being only related to the Mccann's the chances of false alert probability are slim to none in my view.

So we have uncorrobarated dog alerts (which we saw in the case in the Prout case as well by the way, with the same dogs), we have, as the judges say, incogurant and contradictory statements from the witnesses and last people to see Madeleine alive and well.

We have DNA form ther which whilst inconclusive were never ruled out as not coming from Madeleine.

The chances of coincidence of the alerts coupled with DNA material which could not be ruled out as Madeleine in an apartment where Madeleine was last seen is too high for me personally, and for the PJ as well.

We have strange telephone and creche records.

We have an unconvincing sighting by Jane Tanner.

We have a sighiting identifying clothes we know Gerry had an ID of Gerry by one of the witnesses to 60-80% certainty.

We have a window of abduction of less than two minutes (according to the statements) and no evidence of break in.

So we have at the point of archving a number of factors, based on the released files that I have seen, which warrant further investigation.

stephen25000

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Who amongst them worked with children?


You are kidding me ??????

Offline Benice


Benice.

As you are well aware, the D.N.A. evidence was inconclusive, but there is nothing else on the horizon.

So as it stands, if you want the abduction thesis to be accepted as one possibility you should also accept the alternative, and SY have clearly not explained why they have apparently rejected that.

There is no evidence that Madeleine died in the apartment.   And if she did - there is no way two psychopaths - because that is what BOTH McCanns would have to be to dispose of her body, would come up with such a ridiculously super-complicated cover story involving 7 really stupid people - cos that's what the Tapas 7 would have to be to agree to be involved -  when there were obviously much simpler easier ways to overcome this threat to their careers.     The whole idea is utterly preposterous.     

And you wonder why SY have rejected it?   The answer is obvious Stephen -  it's because they're not simple-minded idiots.


 
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Albertini

There is no evidence that Madeleine died in the apartment.

Wasn't there no evidence Kate Prout died in her living room?
« Last Edit: July 18, 2013, 11:43:29 AM by Albertini »

stephen25000

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There is no evidence that Madeleine died in the apartment.   And if she did - there is no way two psychopaths - because that is what BOTH McCanns would have to be to dispose of her body, would come up with such a ridiculously super-complicated cover story involving 7 really stupid people - cos that's what the Tapas 7 would have to be to agree to be involved -  when there were obviously much simpler easier ways to overcome this threat to their careers.     The whole idea is utterly preposterous.     

And you wonder why SY have rejected it?   The answer is obvious Stephen -  it's because they're not simple-minded idiots.


You don't have to be a psychopath to cover up a death, unless you know something different.

As to SY, well you said it. Remember,, it's the same team empirically from the Jill Dando case, and you know what happened there don't you ?

However, I've been through all this before, so what is your point other than wasting comments, yet again ?

Offline John

Wasn't there no evidence Kate Prout died in her living room?

She wasn't in any event as she was murdered in the game lodge and then wrapped in one of its curtains before being put in the back of a Land Rover.

http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/Kate-Prout-murder-inquest-reveals-husband-killed/story-15992487-detail/story.html#axzz2ZOXTjXvh

A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

ferryman

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I have stated on here before i do not have all the facts


Now there's a surprise ...

AnneGuedes

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two psychopaths - because that is what BOTH McCanns would have to be to dispose of her body, would come up with such a ridiculously super-complicated cover story involving 7 really stupid people - cos that's what the Tapas 7 would have to be to agree to be involved -  when there were obviously much simpler easier ways to overcome this threat to their careers.     The whole idea is utterly preposterous.     

You insist, Benice, in presenting a caricature as a supposed theory. Nobody here ever claimed the McCanns were psychopaths and nobody here ever claimed they involved their companions. So why do you ridicule an hypothesis nobody here sustains ?

Offline Albertini

Now there's a surprise ...

Oh ok, so you do then?

If you are in possession of all the facts why have you not told Scotland Yard and why haven't we seen abductors being arrested?

The answer to most normal people is because no one has all the facts of an incomplete and unsolved investigation.

But don't let your clear bias get in the way of constructive and civil debate.

stephen25000

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Oh ok, so you do then?

If you are in possession of all the facts why have you not told Scotland Yard and why haven't we seen abductors being arrested?

The answer to most normal people is because no one has all the facts of an incomplete and unsolved investigation.

But don't let your clear bias get in the way of constructive and civil debate.

Unfortunately ferryman implies here and elsewhere that he knows everything about the case, and takes particular delight in attacking Martin Grimes.