Author Topic: Could the cadaver scent have been planted?  (Read 113230 times)

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Redblossom

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Re: Could the cadaver scent have been planted?
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2013, 05:59:10 PM »
Yes Anne, me too, Mr Healy and Mrs grandma Gerry Mccann were distraught


Actually reviewing the larry king show, ed smart did say that gerry said to him he wouldnt be surprised if evidence was planted
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Offline Benice

Re: Could the cadaver scent have been planted?
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2013, 06:29:25 PM »
Wrong !  Mr Grime stated precisely that Eddie didn't react to cadaverin, simply because the dog hadn't been trained with that synthetic molecule. If someone planted, perhaps an acte manqué of Mr McCann wishing to be caught after all, only at the morgue or in the cemetery.

But Eddie could not tell the difference between pigmeat and human remains, so that does make the possibility of a plant more than feasible IMO.  No need for caverine.      Although personally I don't believe any 'plants' were made in the car.

Quote from Martin Grime

The result from scientific experiment and research to date would tend to support the theory that the scent of human and pig decomposing material is so similar that we are unable to 'train' the dog to distinguish between the two.





The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Could the cadaver scent have been planted?
« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2013, 06:40:39 PM »
could have been accidental. dogs are very sensitive. Did any of the pj who attended the scenne or drove the McCanns car come into contact with a body in the couple of weeks before the search. The officers forgot to wear protective suits(like the ones you see uk detectives wearing at a a crime scene) so contamination wasn't probable , it would be definite.

Redblossom

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Re: Could the cadaver scent have been planted?
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2013, 06:45:01 PM »
could have been accidental. dogs are very sensitive. Did any of the pj who attended the scenne or drove the McCanns car come into contact with a body in the couple of weeks before the search. The officers forgot to wear protective suits(like the ones you see uk detectives wearing at a a crime scene) so contamination wasn't probable , it would be definite.
Any officers potentially, no proof or evidence, potentially,contaminated would have contaminated all the other flats and cars too they were involved  in the searches of, inckuding murats villa and cars,they didnt, well, that eddie reacted to, eta besides did the dog react to any persons body?

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Offline Benice

Re: Could the cadaver scent have been planted?
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2013, 06:57:36 PM »
You seem to have completely missed the point Red,  which is that it would not be as difficult to 'plant' cadaver scent as some people seem to think it is.   No need for a visit to the morgue.


« Last Edit: August 06, 2013, 10:32:37 PM by John »
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

AnneGuedes

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Re: Could the cadaver scent have been planted?
« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2013, 07:24:28 PM »
I think that UK butchers aren't allowed to sell 'pig decomposing material", totally inappropriate for consumption and anyhow not for sale in Portugal.

Offline Benice

Re: Could the cadaver scent have been planted?
« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2013, 08:32:46 PM »
could have been accidental. dogs are very sensitive. Did any of the pj who attended the scenne or drove the McCanns car come into contact with a body in the couple of weeks before the search. The officers forgot to wear protective suits(like the ones you see uk detectives wearing at a a crime scene) so contamination wasn't probable , it would be definite.

With regard to 5A  - apart from all the people who could have already contaminated the apartment both on and around the 3rd May   -  there are also the 4 families who stayed there during the 3 months after K&G vacated it and before the dogs were brought in to what, by that time,  must surely have qualified as probably the worst preserved crime scene in history.

Also IIRC one of the families who leased the Renault before the McCanns -  said they had carried raw meat for a barbecue in the boot.   Another possible source of leakage and contamination?




The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Could the cadaver scent have been planted?
« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2013, 08:39:11 PM »
With regard to 5A  - apart from all the people who could have already contaminated the apartment both on and around the 3rd May   -  there are also the 4 families who stayed there during the 3 months after K&G vacated it and before the dogs were brought in to what, by that time,  must surely have qualified as probably the worst preserved crime scene in history.

Also IIRC one of the families who leased the Renault before the McCanns -  said they had carried raw meat for a barbecue in the boot.   Another possible source of leakage and contamination?

eddie didn't react to the boot ...which is a bit inconvenient... so where in the car was the body transported

Offline Benice

Re: Could the cadaver scent have been planted?
« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2013, 08:46:23 PM »
eddie didn't react to the boot ...which is a bit inconvenient... so where in the car was the body transported

Ahh yes you are right Davel.  Eddie only alerted to the keyfob which was in the compartment on the inside of the driver's door - a couple of inches away from his nose.
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

AnneGuedes

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Re: Could the cadaver scent have been planted?
« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2013, 08:49:10 PM »
It is with a certain reason considered criminal in the CPP to pollute a crime scene as Mr McCann did immediately when he experimented with shutters he would later claim broken instead of calling the police, or rather ask someone to ask someone to call the police.
Not my opinion, but facts.

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AnneGuedes

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Re: Could the cadaver scent have been planted?
« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2013, 10:58:11 PM »
The Yard is in charge of finding Madeleine MC, alive if possible. The only scenario allowing this is an abduction. All other crimes listed by the AG, homicide inside of the flat included, aren't  contemplated.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Could the cadaver scent have been planted?
« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2013, 11:09:00 PM »
Not suspects of abduction.

Lyall

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Re: Could the cadaver scent have been planted?
« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2013, 11:13:00 PM »
They have clearly stated that the McCanns are seen as victims and are not suspected of any crime.

Then they have made assumptions?

AnneGuedes

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Re: Could the cadaver scent have been planted?
« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2013, 11:16:29 PM »
Whether one likes it or not, the crime has first to be defined and the Yard can't without proof overrule the AG report. There's no victim yet, except for Madeleine.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Could the cadaver scent have been planted?
« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2013, 11:23:41 PM »
The AG report said that there were no indications of any crime by the McCanns.

SY is not attempting to overrule that!
Can't you read ?
The AG report says the nature of the crime couldn't be determined. Madeleine is at stake here, not her parents !
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