So when was the first translation of the Amaral book available?

[Sherlock Holmes]

Do you believe that  ?

My views on Gerry McCann are not for a late night sitting...will try to formulate something soon, though

[icabodcrane]

My views on Gerry McCann are not for a late night sitting...will try to formulate something soon, though

I wasn't asking for your views on Gerry McCann  Sherlock  ...  I was asking whether you believe the McCanns didn't read Amaral's  book at the earliest opportunity because they  'had better things to do'  ?   

[Sherlock Holmes]

I wasn't asking for your views on Gerry McCann  Sherlock  ...  I was asking whether you believe the McCanns didn't read Amaral's  book at the earliest opportunity because they  'had better things to do'  ?

That would be pure speculation.

[icabodcrane]

That would be pure speculation.

I thought you might have an opinion   ( which are speculative, more often than not ) 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I thought you might have an opinion   ( which are speculative, more often than not )

It's a hard one to answer.

If we take the McCanns at their word, and they had a genuine concern even at that point that Amaral's views were affecting the search, then presumably the more information they could access with regard to anything about how the case was being / had been handled would be important for them to know.

I am inclined to go with this, as I do accept their belief that the search was being hindered as genuine (even though I don't see the logic of that  myself).

What are the alternatives? They didn't read it then, as they didn't really connect it with the search, and only read it after deciding to get round to suing Amaral for libel?

You have many ideas about the machinations of the McCanns, Icabod..what else?

[icabodcrane]

It's a hard one to answer.

If we take the McCanns at their word, and they had a genuine concern even at that point that Amaral's views were affecting the search, then presumably the more information they could access with regard to anything about how the case was being / had been handled would be important for them to know.

I am inclined to go with this, as I do accept their belief that the search was being hindered as genuine (even though I don't see the logic of that  myself).

What are the alternatives? They didn't read it then, as they didn't really connect it with the search, and only read it after deciding to get round to suing Amaral for libel?

You have many ideas about the machinations of the McCanns, Icabod..what else?

That was exactly my train of thought

Either this book devastated their lives,  and brought Kate to the brink of suicide,  as they are now claiming in court     ...  or it was so inconsequential to them that it lay downloaded  on their computer for weeks  (  as sent by Michael Wright  )  unread, beacuse they had  'better things to do'  than read it 

Which is true  ?   

[Sherlock Holmes]

That was exactly my train of thought

Either this book devastated their lives,  and brought Kate to the brink of suicide,  as they are now claiming in court     ...  or it was so inconsequential to them that it lay downloaded  on their computer for weeks  (  as sent by Michael Wright  )  unread, beacuse they had  'better things to do'  than read it 

Which is true  ?

Well I think suicide is a bit too stark, and I think they were ill-advised to bring this up in court without medical back-up.

However, despite being unimpressed by our witnesses for the prosecution, I do wonder if the book didn't have a strong emotional impact. Traumas apparently peripheral to the central one that is being experienced can have just as profound an  impact, sometimes a profounder one, than the original - a powerful phenomenon which is well researched and documented, and one I have experienced myself during and after a traumatic chapter.

I don't give much credence to the idea that A's thesis affected the search - for reasons we have gone over - but as far as emotional damage done, and damage to reputation, the McCanns were certainly aggrieved.

[Chinagirl]

Didn't Michael Wright say  ( in court  )  that  he forwarded a translated version of the book to McCanns,  that he had accessed on the internet  very soon after it had been published   ?

That still doesn't have to mean that he was referring to one of translated versions we know of on the internet. 

[Redblossom]

That still doesn't have to mean that he was referring to one of translated versions we know of on the internet.

LOL!!

If not, why bring the fact up?

[sadie]

Well I think suicide is a bit too stark, and I think they were ill-advised to bring this up in court without medical back-up.

However, despite being unimpressed by our witnesses for the prosecution, I do wonder if the book didn't have a strong emotional impact. Traumas apparently peripheral to the central one that is being experienced can have just as profound an  impact, sometimes a profounder one, than the original - a powerful phenomenon which is well researched and documented, and one I have experienced myself during and after a traumatic chapter.

I don't give much credence to the idea that A's thesis affected the search - for reasons we have gone over - but as far as emotional damage done, and damage to reputation, the McCanns were certainly aggrieved.

Sorry, I must disagree with you here, Sherlock.  I fear suicide might still be on the books

One only has to look at what Gawd-awful people have done to Kates beautiful face to see the extreme pain etched on it.   There is only so much pain that any one person can carry.  Kate is very strong, but there might well come a time when the final straw causes her to give in.

Obviously that book and all the subsequent Amaral pontifications will have been detrimental to the search.  The search for a living child would have far greater fire and spirit than one for a dead child.  Also if people believe her dead at her parents hands, and they start to hate them, then they will lose interest in doing anything to help them.


And this, of course, is without considering the impact that Amarals book might have had on the PJ and Judicary.  Fortunately most would know that he is a perjurer and liar as proven by the Courts.

[Luz]

Sorry, I must disagree with you here, Sherlock.  I fear suicide might still be on the books

One only has to look at what Gawd-awful people have done to Kates beautiful face to see the extreme pain etched on it.   There is only so much pain that any one person can carry.  Kate is very strong, but there might well come a time when the final straw causes her to give in.

Obviously that book and all the subsequent Amaral pontifications will have been detrimental to the search.  The search for a living child would have far greater fire and spirit than one for a dead child.  Also if people believe her dead at her parents hands, and they start to hate them, then they will lose interest in doing anything to help them.


And this, of course, is without considering the impact that Amarals book might have had on the PJ and Judicary.  Fortunately most would know that he is a perjurer and liar as proven by the Courts.

Kate's beautiful face???? Give me a break!

It didn't take many of my acquaintances and I to read the book to disbelieve that pair. I didn't believe them from the first press statement they made, 4th May 2007.

And if she wanted to kill herself, why didn't she?! Invoking suicidal thoughts is a very cheap strategy.

[sadie]

Kate's beautiful face???? Give me a break!

It didn't take many of my acquaintances and I to read the book to disbelieve that pair. I didn't believe them from the first press statement they made, 4th May 2007.

And if she wanted to kill herself, why didn't she?! Invoking suicidal thoughts is a very cheap strategy.

You are one of the people on here who could be very correctly called a [ censored word ].  What a hateful person you are, Luz. 
-  Tearing down the posters of a missing stolen child,
-  Throwing paint all over the contact details so that anyone who knows anything cannot pass the info on.
-  trying to prevent a stolen child from being recovered
-  bragging about it on the internet ... and elsewhere, no doubt
-  Intimating that the mention of her suicide is a strategy.  Have you ever been suicidal?  Do you know what it does to you?  Intimating that kate is a liar.
-  Making assertions that kate is not beautiful, when she clearly is


Kate is a very beautiful woman, as is her Mother and her daughter.  If she says she was suicidal then she was.  Kate is a totally honest woman.   The most honest person I have ever encountered.  And the suicidal part is confirmed by her ?Psychologist in Court.

Get over yourself Luz.  A few heartfelt apologies would be in order from you. 

[Luz]

So the Annaesse version doesn't prejudice the publisher? It is online.

I know it does because had it not existed I would in the past have bought the book in French or at a pinch in Portuguese. The version in English online (which I presume probably breaks copyright) is enough for my needs. No point in paying out money when one of Amaral's mates offers his book for free is there?

It didn't seem to bother Amaral or his publishers. But it seems to bother the McCann for whom every penny counts. They must be mad that copyrights were not protected so they could request more millions in their plea.

[Luz]

You are one of the people on here who could be very correctly called a [ censored word ].  What a hateful person you are, Luz. 
-  Tearing down the posters of a missing stolen child,
-  Throwing paint all over the contact details so that anyone who knows anything cannot pass the info on.
-  trying to prevent a stolen child from being recovered
-  bragging about it on the internet ... and elsewhere, no doubt
-  Intimating that the mention of her suicide is a strategy.  Have you ever been suicidal?  Do you know what it does to you?  Intimating that kate is a liar.
-  Making assertions that kate is not beautiful, when she clearly is


Kate is a very beautiful woman, as is her Mother and her daughter.  If she says she was suicidal then she was.  Kate is a totally honest woman.   The most honest person I have ever encountered.  And the suicidal part is confirmed by her ?Psychologist in Court.

Get over yourself Luz.  A few heartfelt apologies would be in order from you.

Kate is whatever you want her to be.
Unless you have proof for the accusations you are making, you have better shut up.
I have documents that prove that I was in Germany when the posters were ripped off, does your beloved Kate has proof that she didn't harm her child?!

[Luz]

It's Mrs. McCann that should apologize for the lies she has been telling the world.
You may choose to be at her side, but you can't make other people believe her or her husband.
In my country we are free to think and free to express our opinions. If you don't like it, it is your problem.