Author Topic: Maria Isabel Stilwell's testimony  (Read 16960 times)

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AnneGuedes

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Re: Maria Isabel Stilwell's testimony
« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2013, 07:41:26 PM »

On another point, I have found it interesting that a number of names associated with this case are so-called 'New  Christian' - including Guedes itself, which I wondered about. Being 'Old Christian' myself (if you get my meaning, Anne...) I wondered if this reflects something about the case, or if there simply are so many New Christian families sill aware of their heritage in Portugal and keeping to these names..
Most Rodrigues, Nunes, Mendes, Gomes, Costa, etc. aren't aware they have Jewish families' names (you find them in the Dicionário Sefaradi de Sobrenomes). Only first names like Samuel, Salomão, Abraão, Ester, Rebeca indicate a possibly alive link with Judaism.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Maria Isabel Stilwell's testimony
« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2013, 07:43:42 PM »
Ok, back to the gramophone
There are fados on line, in the horrible MP3 format.

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Maria Isabel Stilwell's testimony
« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2013, 07:45:26 PM »
Most Rodrigues, Nunes, Mendes, Gomes, Costa, etc. aren't aware they have Jewish families' names (you find them in the Dicionário Sefaradi de Sobrenomes). Only first names like Samuel, Salomão, Abraão, Ester, Rebeca indicate a possibly alive link with Judaism.

Very interesting.

What proportion of the Portuguese population would you say has Sefardi surnames?

Offline Carana

Re: Maria Isabel Stilwell's testimony
« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2013, 07:50:06 PM »
This is how she justifies her editorials against Mr Amaral, she's convinced to achieve a balance between freedom of speech and right to good name. She doesn't realise or doesn't want to realise that most Portuguese aren't interested in this case and find having no idea easier and more comfortable.

I don't understand what you mean, Anne.


Offline Carana

Re: Maria Isabel Stilwell's testimony
« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2013, 07:56:33 PM »
This is one of Isabel Stilwell's tunes, SH ! I never observed this simplistic belief globally affected Portugal and I've been living in Lisbon for many years !
Everywhere on the planet people react to something bad moaning "what did I do (to God or whatever) to deserve this ?". Even educated people react like this spontaneously, it just means they're suddenly aware something is beyond them. this is why they complain.
I think we must try to understand this instead of despising it.
I was ashamed during that hearing. In order to exhibit her superiority, IS denigrated her own people, making a ridiculous caricature. She wasn't helped by Isabel Duarte though, it was as if no preparation work had been done. I felt the judge was exasperated though she controlled it very well. When IS turned towards the audience at the end, she looked lost and I had the same feeling than when Emma Loach left the room : they realised the vacuity of their statements.
There are many many New Christian families (names like Pereira, Carvalho, Ribeiro, Silva, Tavares, Paiva, Corrêa, Guedes..)  and still Jewish communities.

And now, you've totally lost me...
« Last Edit: September 30, 2013, 05:05:44 PM by Carana »

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Maria Isabel Stilwell's testimony
« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2013, 08:07:05 PM »
And now, you've totaly lost me...

You have to read back a few threads, Carana..

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Maria Isabel Stilwell's testimony
« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2013, 08:12:59 PM »
There are fados on line, in the horrible MP3 format.

Wonderful - such amazing music

drummer

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Re: Maria Isabel Stilwell's testimony
« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2013, 09:22:45 AM »
 IS. She says it is typical Portuguese provincialism to believe the opposite of what a Final Report says.

Wonder why?

AnneGuedes

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Re: Maria Isabel Stilwell's testimony
« Reply #38 on: September 30, 2013, 09:13:46 PM »

Does anyone here know what this 'public controversial position'  with Goncalo Amaral IS    ? 

Here is a translation of a Destak editorial  (the bold parts are extraordinary but true !)
Call murderer whom I feel like to...
14 | 01 | 2010 08.40H
Isabel Stilwell | editorial@destak.pt

Maddeleine McCann's father reminded yesterday that this is not the couple who is on trial , but a book. In fact, the 7th Vara of Lisbon Civil Court will not decide whether the parents killed their daughter , hid or not her body , but whether a thesis that accuses someone of homicide can be published or rather, if I or the reader can write that Mr Y murdered Mr X without a court having reached that conclusion. The issue is the right to freedom of expression versus the right to honor and good name .

This Gerry McCann's exposition seems relevant to me, since reading some newspaper titles one got the idea that the couple would be presented to a judge in order to establish whether or not they were involved in the death of their daughter. «Parents conceal the death of Maddie",  titled a journal , "Police confirm that Maddie is dead" wrote another, and this was more or less the content of some TV and radio reports.

Consciously or through silliness, some like to turn what exists into something they like. The McCanns were cleared of the charge of murdering their daughter. The investigation even failed to prove that Maddie died, but only they hadn't been able to find her. To add to this, the process was shelved by a Portuguese court. Now if the police officer (GA) or his team feel that justice has not been done they have the moral obligation to find evidence that will convince the court. Then, yes, they can have the case reopened and see convicted those they believe guilty .

Something completely different, and that nothing justifies, is that, when thwarted by justice, the come out of bookshops accusing whoever of a crime and nothing less than the homicide of their own daughter ! I'm afraid of a country where such things are possible.

Redblossom

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Re: Maria Isabel Stilwell's testimony
« Reply #39 on: September 30, 2013, 10:08:58 PM »
she sounds a bit dim and ininformed much like plenty of our journalists here in the UK, either that or making things up, or probably plenty of both!


Zzzz



C.Edwards

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Re: Maria Isabel Stilwell's testimony
« Reply #40 on: September 30, 2013, 10:53:41 PM »
she sounds a bit dim and ininformed much like plenty of our journalists here in the UK, either that or making things up, or probably plenty of both!


Zzzz

If you look at the comments she gets on her pieces in the paper, her opinions are really not popular over there at all.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Maria Isabel Stilwell's testimony
« Reply #41 on: September 30, 2013, 10:56:06 PM »
she sounds a bit dim and ininformed much like plenty of our journalists here in the UK, either that or making things up, or probably plenty of both!


Zzzz
Selfpromotion. You'll observe that she does exactly what she criticises: "some like to turn what exists into something they like." To achieve this, she has no state of soul (as we say in French) in speaking of killing and murder and tribunal !

icabodcrane

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Re: Maria Isabel Stilwell's testimony
« Reply #42 on: September 30, 2013, 11:57:08 PM »
Did anyone come up with any direct  connection  between Maria Isabel Stilwell and the McCanns  ?

I mean they couldn't have called her as a witness  purely on the basis of her  being a Portuguese   journalist/professional translater who happens to be hostile to Amaral ...  could they  ?

What was her relevance to the trial apart from that  ? 

Redblossom

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Re: Maria Isabel Stilwell's testimony
« Reply #43 on: October 01, 2013, 12:05:56 AM »
If you look at the comments she gets on her pieces in the paper, her opinions are really not popular over there at all.

Thanks for that but never heard of her, so she cant be that important in the case
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Redblossom

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Re: Maria Isabel Stilwell's testimony
« Reply #44 on: October 01, 2013, 12:08:20 AM »
Selfpromotion. You'll observe that she does exactly what she criticises: "some like to turn what exists into something they like." To achieve this, she has no state of soul (as we say in French) in speaking of killing and murder and tribunal !

A journalist performs in their career by their words....if their words are crap then they are crap journalists....