Surely the Amaral book "The Truth of the Lie" helped the search for Madeleine?

[AnneGuedes]

I don't know if this point has been made before on this forum, but it is an important one, that collectively probably all of us here are making a meaningful contribution to the welfare of children in general, by being more aware of the dangers posed to children left unattended, and in appreciating our own children even more than we would do if we were not so caught up with tragedies like this one.

It is probably true to say that many, many thousands of parents across the world have also become significantly more diligent over their children as a result of this case. Losing a child is a primal fear, which must be one of the driving motivations in being interested in a case like this - the fear that it could have been us. Hence our subliminal readiness to criticise the McCanns - for allowing the unthinkable to touch us.

It is an enormous tragedy that Madeleine had to be the sacrificial lamb in this lesson, but perhaps this is God's way of reinforcing the fact that we have to be as careful as we can with our children at all times and never leave them unattended or with someone we don't know very well. The lives of many children will have been protected and restored as a result of the knowledge that this case has brought to the attentions of the world - and for all the mistakes they've made,  I don't think the McCanns can be criticised for that.

I'm not sure of this.
If Madeleine was abducted from her bed, the McCanns are right to say they're innocent, they couldn't possibly foresee it. And they're right also to say it could have happened during their sleep since that abduction was noiseless. The open door could have facilitated the process but surely wasn't the origin of it.
The neglect argument doesn't make sense and I can't see any kind of lesson here.

[AnneGuedes]

they were too busy to physically search for their child.

Yes, but they were too busy organizing search campaigns. Isn't that expected of parents of a genuinely abducted child ?

[Angelo222]

Yes, but they were too busy organizing search campaigns. Isn't that expected of parents of a genuinely abducted child ?

Organising search campaigns?   A lot of people will frown at this.  Bottom line is if the McCanns couldn't be bothered to go out and physically search for their supposedly abducted daughter then why the hell should anyone else do it?  They are such hypocrites attempting to place the blame at the feet of Amaral for the lack of searching.  What searching have they done these past 6 years??

[Mr Gray]

Nowhere in the book it is said that the McCann or any of their friends caused the child's death. Just like in the files, and in the Archival Report from the AG, it is said that the child is most probably dead, and she may have died from an accident and the parents covered up that death.

Nevertheless, that didn't impede that lots of sightings and some foolish theories have been reported in the Press.

Neither did it interfere with the blackmail to David Cameron in order to approve a multimillion operation by a metropolitan police.

The argument that the book has hindered the search is bogus, in fact it is insulting when produced by people that confessed in an interview that they were too busy to physically search for their child.

Are you sure it says this in the archiving report ...I think you are confused

[Luz]

Are you sure it says this in the archiving report ...I think you are confused

Translate the Report if you don't trust the actual translation, but don't keep questioning what everyone can read.

[Benice]

Organising search campaigns?   A lot of people will frown at this.  Bottom line is if the McCanns couldn't be bothered to go out and physically search for their supposedly abducted daughter then why the hell should anyone else do it?  They are such hypocrites attempting to place the blame at the feet of Amaral for the lack of searching.  What searching have they done these past 6 years??

You seem to be fixated with the idea that the only way to search for a missing person is 'physically.'  And yet if you were to ask any of the experts/professional organisations you would learn that that is probably the least productive use of time and money  - and that it is keeping the missing person's profile as high as possible for as long as possible in the public's eye which gives that person the best chance of being found.   

Traipsing around Portugal with shovels in their hands may make for a good photoshoot - but they might as well be looking for a needle in 10 million haystacks - especially as they don't even know whether Madeleine is in Portugal or not.     

Surely the best way to search for a missing person is the one that has already been proven to be the best?

If you wanted to buy a new TV - would you physically travel around to every Store to find out the best deal, or would you pick up the phone or use the internet to achieve the same result in a fraction of the time.      It's the same principle IMO.







   

 

[stephen25000]

You seem to be fixated with the idea that the only way to search for a missing person is 'physically.'  And yet if you were to ask any of the experts/professional organisations you would learn that that is probably the least productive use of time and money  - and that it is keeping the missing person's profile as high as possible for as long as possible in the public's eye which gives that person the best chance of being found.   

Traipsing around Portugal with shovels in their hands may make for a good photoshoot - but they might as well be looking for a needle in 10 million haystacks - especially as they don't even know whether Madeleine is in Portugal or not.     

Surely the best way to search for a missing person is the one that has already been proven to be the best?

If you wanted to buy a new TV - would you physically travel around to every Store to find out the best deal, or would you pick up the phone or use the internet to achieve the same result in a fraction of the time.      It's the same principle IMO.







 

How can you dare equate looking for a tv to a missing child ?

Unbelievable.

[Benice]

How can you dare equate looking for a tv to a missing child ?

Unbelievable.

I haven't.   But I'm not in the least surprised that you don't understand the idea of a 'principle'

[Luz]

You seem to be fixated with the idea that the only way to search for a missing person is 'physically.'  And yet if you were to ask any of the experts/professional organisations you would learn that that is probably the least productive use of time and money  - and that it is keeping the missing person's profile as high as possible for as long as possible in the public's eye which gives that person the best chance of being found.   

Traipsing around Portugal with shovels in their hands may make for a good photoshoot - but they might as well be looking for a needle in 10 million haystacks - especially as they don't even know whether Madeleine is in Portugal or not.     

Surely the best way to search for a missing person is the one that has already been proven to be the best?

If you wanted to buy a new TV - would you physically travel around to every Store to find out the best deal, or would you pick up the phone or use the internet to achieve the same result in a fraction of the time.      It's the same principle IMO.
 

Okay. You have a witness saying that she saw a suspicious man carrying a child that appears to be your child, a few minutes later you find out that your child was "abducted" (no doubt about it), and instead of trying to go after the presumed abductor you stay in the apartment cleaning your mobile phone from any message in it, calling UK media, calling UK family and acquaintances, calling your friends and their dogs into the "supposed crime scene"..and 40 minutes after you gave the alarm to your friends you call the police. After that you keep inside the apartment walls, because there is no point in following the voluntary search groups that took all night and many other nights looking for your child.
Why search when there were hundreds, or maybe thousands, of strangers looking for her? Better keep fit. Better keep sending the twins into the creche and maintain your tennis lessons and your jogging....And latter give press releases and make photo sessions....

Are you kidding me? Where is it more efficient to keep your holiday activities, implemented by a star syndrome, than looking actively for your child?

[stephen25000]

I haven't.   But I'm not in the least surprised that you don't understand the idea of a 'principle'

I understand the idea of a principle perfectly.

It's a pity you haven't applied the concept yourself to this pair.

[Benice]

Okay. You have a witness saying that she saw a suspicious man carrying a child that appears to be your child, a few minutes later you find out that your child was "abducted" (no doubt about it), and instead of trying to go after the presumed abductor you stay in the apartment cleaning your mobile phone from any message in it, calling UK media, calling UK family and acquaintances, calling your friends and their dogs into the "supposed crime scene"..and 40 minutes after you gave the alarm to your friends you call the police. After that you keep inside the apartment walls, because there is no point in following the voluntary search groups that took all night and many other nights looking for your child.
Why search when there were hundreds, or maybe thousands, of strangers looking for her? Better keep fit. Better keep sending the twins into the creche and maintain your tennis lessons and your jogging....And latter give press releases and make photo sessions....

Are you kidding me? Where is it more efficient to keep your holiday activities, implemented by a star syndrome, than looking actively for your child?

I don't agree with your extremely twisted version of events - so no point in going any further with this - except to say that  if the McCanns were so disinterested in the abduction of their daughter, why have they spent the last six years keeping her at the centre of their universe and fighting for her rights?  Why didn't they simply go home and never mention her again?       You can't have it both ways.

[Sherlock Holmes]

I'm not sure of this.
If Madeleine was abducted from her bed, the McCanns are right to say they're innocent, they couldn't possibly foresee it. And they're right also to say it could have happened during their sleep since that abduction was noiseless. The open door could have facilitated the process but surely wasn't the origin of it.
The neglect argument doesn't make sense and I can't see any kind of lesson here.

I think the lesson here is that we are all slightly more fearful of taking chances with our children. That's all I mean.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the McCanns leaving their children, discussed ad nauseam here on this forum and elsewhere, is ultimately a matter for them.

Where we come in is in our greater ability to protect or children, owing to the awareness of danger in this kind of situation that the McCann case has raised.

Perhaps the McCanns were not aware of the dangers they were leaving their children in, and were lulled into a false sense of security at the resort. I think most parents have a clearer vision of reality today, now than the McCanns had then, 'thanks' to this case.

[DCI]

I think the lesson here is that we are all slightly more fearful of taking chances with our children. That's all I mean.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the McCanns leaving their children, discussed ad nauseam here on this forum and elsewhere, is ultimately a matter for them.

Where we come in is in our greater ability to protect or children, owing to the awareness of danger in this kind of situation that the McCann case has raised.

Perhaps the McCanns were not aware of the dangers they were leaving their children in, and were lulled into a false sense of security at the resort. I think most parents have a clearer vision of reality today, now than the McCanns had then, 'thanks' to this case.

 

Well said Sherlock.
How many parents have watched their children a lot closer, than they did before Madeleine was abducted?

I wouldn't believe anyone that says they haven't!

[AnneGuedes]

Organising search campaigns?   A lot of people will frown at this.  Bottom line is if the McCanns couldn't be bothered to go out and physically search for their supposedly abducted daughter then why the hell should anyone else do it?  They are such hypocrites attempting to place the blame at the feet of Amaral for the lack of searching.  What searching have they done these past 6 years??

What is the best way to prove you are reliable parents, if this is at stake, excluding the option of a direct search that doesn't seem feasible ? Isn't it campaigning to convince people there's a findable little girl and to search for her ?

[AnneGuedes]

Why didn't they simply go home and never mention her again?     

Because after they claiming they would leave no stone unturned, after the dogs' intelligence, the refusal to answer questions and the lack of will to reconstitute the event, and moreover after having become celebrities, they just couldn't leave the stage without thickening the doubt about them.