Was it in fact blood from a shaving cut that the dogs detected?

[Redblossom]

Amaral says Madeleine died in the apartment and Mr Gordon's shaving cut is a (plausible) alternative explanation of the dog alert.

if you cut yourself shaving do you normally go stand behnd the sofa at the window?
 


So both dogs alerted there, what about the other alerts in the apartment and outside by Eddie, confirmed as NOT blood? Because Keela did not alert there. Rhetorical question, no need to answer

[ferryman]

if you cut yourself shaving do you normally go stand behnd the sofa at the window?
 


So both dogs alerted there, what about the other alerts in the apartment and outside by Eddie, confirmed as NOT blood? Because Keela did not alert there. Rhetorical question, no need to answer

Try reading the gospel of your guru, Martin Grime.

The place where a cadaver dog alerts is not necessarily the source of the scent.

Grime says that ...

[Redblossom]

Try reading the gospel of your guru, Martin Grime.

The place where a cadaver dog alerts is not necessarily the source of the scent.

Grime says that ...

Floundering again...thats exactly the SPOT where Keela marked for blood....nothing to do with the cadaver dog alert in the area
 

This has nothing at all to do with Eddies alerts

So do YOU go stand behind your sofa when youre bleeding all over the place from a shaving cut?

And no Martin Grime is not my guru in any way shape or form, he is a professional and experienced dog handler, and I would take HIS word over yours any day OBVIOUSLY

[sadie]

if you cut yourself shaving do you normally go stand behnd the sofa at the window?
 


So both dogs alerted there, what about the other alerts in the apartment and outside by Eddie, confirmed as NOT blood? Because Keela did not alert there. Rhetorical question, no need to answer

Who says the furniture was arranged in the same way then? 

My understanding was that he had a bad cut that kept bleeding.  Please correct me if i am wrong.

[Luz]

Who says the furniture was arranged in the same way then? 

My understanding was that he had a bad cut that kept bleeding.  Please correct me if i am wrong.

You are wrong.
There you have been corrected.

[Redblossom]

Who says the furniture was arranged in the same way then? 

My understanding was that he had a bad cut that kept bleeding.  Please correct me if i am wrong.

However furniture was arranged and pray tell why it would be rearranged! Someone with a shaving cut that led to blood dripping in the floor will have left more blood dripping in the floor elsewhere ESPECIALLY the bathroom  but none was found and more importantly probably wouldnt have similar dna markers to Madeleine Mcann! get real, its a poor excuse for what Keela found by some who think it MEANS something sinister so have to get an excuse for it.....thing is Madeleine may well have deposited her blood innocently in that spot!

[ferryman]

Floundering again...thats exactly the SPOT where Keela marked for blood....nothing to do with the cadaver dog alert in the area
 

This has nothing at all to do with Eddies alerts

So do YOU go stand behind your sofa when youre bleeding all over the place from a shaving cut?

And no Martin Grime is not my guru in any way shape or form, he is a professional and experienced dog handler, and I would take HIS word over yours any day OBVIOUSLY

What we have to be able to understand in a situation such as this is in a hot climate with the apartment being closed down, the scent will build up in a particular area. If there isn't a scent source in here, i.e. a physical article where the scent is emitting from, any scent residue will collect in a particular place due to the air movement of the flat, the apartment and what I would say in this case is that there is enough scent in that area there for him to give me a bark indication but the source may not be in that cupboard, the source may well be in this room somewhere else but the air is actually pushing into that corner.

Martin Grime

[Redblossom]

What we have to be able to understand in a situation such as this is in a hot climate with the apartment being closed down, the scent will build up in a particular area. If there isn't a scent source in here, i.e. a physical article where the scent is emitting from, any scent residue will collect in a particular place due to the air movement of the flat, the apartment and what I would say in this case is that there is enough scent in that area there for him to give me a bark indication but the source may not be in that cupboard, the source may well be in this room somewhere else but the air is actually pushing into that corner.

Martin Grime

You are either dim or being a joker....that refers entirely to the CADAVER DOG and cadaver odour.....it does not refer to Keela, the blood dog, or blood or her findings in a SPECIFIC SPOT,where forensics are and were found


keela always reacts to the spot where blood IS so your comments about odour coming  from elsewhere are in this case totally null and void, still do carry on confusing......

[ferryman]

You are either dim or being a joker....that refers entirely to the CADAVER DOG and cadaver odour.....it does not refer to Keela, the blood dog, or blood or her findings in a SPECIFIC SPOT,where forensics are and were found


keela always reacts to the spot where blood IS so your comments about odour coming  from elsewhere are in this case totally null and void, still do carry on confusing......

Strange.

Grime says nothing about cadaver scent.

That's your assumption.

How many more prevarications will there be?

[Redblossom]

Strange.

Grime says nothing about cadaver scent.

That's your assumption.

How many more prevarications will there be?

Now I KNOW you are a joker as in that quote Grime was specifically talking about Eddie the cadaver dogs alert in the parents bedroom, diredtly after he had just done so, which was NOT a blood alert....something you MUST know ERGO who is prevaricating obfuscatng lying and dishing out misinformation? Here? YOU 100% per cent!


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[sadie]

You are wrong.
There you have been corrected.

How do you know?  Were you there when the man who cut himself badly whilst shaving walked around?

[C.Edwards]

How do you know?  Were you there when the man who cut himself badly whilst shaving walked around?

Have you ever seen anyone who has cut themselves shaving walk around a flat, house or apartment trailing blood at every step?  I imagine that in excess of 99% of such accidents happen in the bathroom, where the person will have immediate access to the tissue paper needed to stem such a cut.

Yes, it's feasible that the odd drip could happen (it hasn't ever happened to me, as I've always had a tissue on my face immediately) but in the circumstances this would look remarkably coincidental once again that someone just happens to cut themselves in the McCann apartment and none of the others (no other dog alerts?) in the weeks before their visit.

Coincidences stop being coincidences after a while.

[ferryman]

Have you ever seen anyone who has cut themselves shaving walk around a flat, house or apartment trailing blood at every step?  I imagine that in excess of 99% of such accidents happen in the bathroom, where the person will have immediate access to the tissue paper needed to stem such a cut.

Yes, it's feasible that the odd drip could happen (it hasn't ever happened to me, as I've always had a tissue on my face immediately) but in the circumstances this would look remarkably coincidental once again that someone just happens to cut themselves in the McCann apartment and none of the others (no other dog alerts?) in the weeks before their visit.

however there was one occasion when I cut myself shaving in the bathroom of the apartment. I would say that the cut bled for about 45 minutes and that it took some time until the cut stopped bleeding, during which period I walked around the apartment with paper tissues trying to stop the blood.

(Paul Anthony Gordon)

Coincidences stop being coincidences after a while.

They do.

When will the Portuguese judiciary stop giving Team Amaral the benefit of the doubt?

[C.Edwards]

Have you ever seen anyone who has cut themselves shaving walk around a flat, house or apartment trailing blood at every step?  I imagine that in excess of 99% of such accidents happen in the bathroom, where the person will have immediate access to the tissue paper needed to stem such a cut.

Yes, it's feasible that the odd drip could happen (it hasn't ever happened to me, as I've always had a tissue on my face immediately) but in the circumstances this would look remarkably coincidental once again that someone just happens to cut themselves in the McCann apartment and none of the others (no other dog alerts?) in the weeks before their visit.

however there was one occasion when I cut myself shaving in the bathroom of the apartment. I would say that the cut bled for about 45 minutes and that it took some time until the cut stopped bleeding, during which period I walked around the apartment with paper tissues trying to stop the blood.

(Paul Anthony Gordon)

Coincidences stop being coincidences after a while.

They do.

When will the Portuguese judiciary stop giving Team Amaral the benefit of the doubt?

Yeah - blood doesn't drip through tissue, we've done this one to death before as well.  You just have an endless supply of myths of your own that you trot out at every opportunity HB.

[John]

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