Was it in fact blood from a shaving cut that the dogs detected?

[Carana]

Good post.

Even setting the leap in logic aside, the sniffer dog acolytes still have to face up to the rather inconvenient (for them!) fact that samples were taken from places where the dogs indicated, and after being subjected to state of the art testing, the samples provided nothing of evidential value. I do wonder whether, if it wasn't for the dogs, Amaral would have quite so many sycophantic followers. I'd guess not, which is quite disturbing, when you think about it.

If he hadn't written a book, narrated a "documentary", and given hundreds of media interviews, would anyone even remember him?

[AnneGuedes]

If Mr Gordon was on Warfarin

He would use an electric device to shave.

[AnneGuedes]

Good post.

Even setting the leap in logic aside, the sniffer dog acolytes still have to face up to the rather inconvenient (for them!) fact that samples were taken from places where the dogs indicated, and after being subjected to state of the art testing, the samples provided nothing of evidential value. I do wonder whether, if it wasn't for the dogs, Amaral would have quite so many sycophantic followers. I'd guess not, which is quite disturbing, when you think about it.

Don't forget the other sniffer dogs, the ones that came right after the disappearance.

[DCI]

He would use an electric device to shave.

Why would he?

My hubby hates electric razors! I think many older gents prefer the razor, I may be wrong?

[AnneGuedes]

Please show me a syllogistic answer that leads from Eddie behaving to a scientifically valid identification of cadaver odour.

Read the threads on that subject, especially the Debunker's posts !

[AnneGuedes]

Why would he?

My hubby hates electric razors! I think many older gents prefer the razor, I may be wrong?

They don't shave as well, but the risk of cutting your skin is null.

[John]

I am not that interested in the dogs- I dismissed them for scientific and formal reasons years ago.

What I am saying is that there is no logical syllogism that supports your statement "Both Eddie and Keela alert to blood from a living presence however when Keela doesn't alert and Eddie does, as in this bedroom, the only reasonable explanation is that he  has detected the scent of cadaver."

Cadaverine scent originates from many other substances other than a cadaver.  Thus to introduce the notion that the only reasonable explanation as to why the dogs alerted was because they detected a body is wholly incorrect.

[Montclair]

Cadaverine scent originates from many other substances other than a cadaver.  Thus to introduce the notion that the only reasonable explanation as to why the dogs alerted was because they detected a body is wholly incorrect.

And if the dogs are trained with human corpses?

[Redblossom]

Cadaverine scent originates from many other substances other than a cadaver.  Thus to introduce the notion that the only reasonable explanation as to why the dogs alerted was because they detected a body is wholly incorrect.

Its still a very reasonable one....if a cadaver dog were to alerting to all manner of substances they would be alerting left right and centre all the time,in all places deployed, would be a bit pointless deployng them, problem in this case is the dog did not......and not only that, alerted to the only place a child was last seen....what are the odds mathematically that this could happen when the dog was deployed in several other flats and houses and cars? if no one thinks that is justifiable suspicion of a possible death they are burying their head in the sand IMO......it doesnt prove it but there is nothng to disprove it yet either and to discard this information is disngenuous

[Redblossom]

I always thought that they found some sort of trace molecular substance / DNA  and couldn't even give a categorical report on what it was - ie saliva blood, skin etc let alone whose it was

The way the discussions go on sometimes about blood is reminiscent  of the  " blood Splatter " photo that every one got excited about that looked like some sort of gory murder scene from a horror flic with blood dripping between floorboards !!

This was a holiday rental that the dogs visited weeks after the event - even to the extent that other residents had stayed there. 

I mean if Maddy had been violently killed that had resulted in this type of blood splatter the case would have been fairly simple

Of course talk of blood spatters is ridiculous, theres nothing to say all those wall markings were specks of blood, in fact I remember reading smething in the files which said it wasnt, but was ages ago and cant find it now

The FSS did find DNA  in what was collected, behnd the sofa under the tiles and the small number of components of Madeleines DNA matched that particular  samples components, the sample was too meagre for FSS to be able to identify what it was, but the dog only alerts to blood, or anything mixed with it

An incomplete DNA result was obtained from cellular material on the swab (286A/2007 CRL 3a). The swab contained very little information and showed low level indications of DNA from more than one person. However, all of the confirmed DNA components within this result match the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Madeline McCann. LCN DNA profiling is highly sensitive; it is not possible attribute this DNA profile to a particular body fluid.

Still, it doesnt prove anythng, but the point is, some people shout it must be this or that but couldnt possibly be Madeleines.....no way, in the same way the cadaver dog alerts must mean this or that but no way suggest a possible death of a child in that flat, its a type of denial IMO

[ferryman]

Welcome Saepe.

The  absence of blood is more important than it's presence in this case. Both Eddie and Keela alert to blood from a living presence however when Keela doesn't alert and Eddie does, as in the bedroom, the only reasonable explanation is that he  has detected the scent of cadaver.

Everything sent to the labs was alerted to by Keela.

And Keela alerts, only, to blood ...

[Carana]

Of course talk of blood spatters is ridiculous, theres nothing to say all those wall markings were specks of blood, in fact I remember reading smething in the files which said it wasnt, but was ages ago and cant find it now

The FSS did find DNA  in what was collected, behnd the sofa under the tiles and the small number of components of Madeleines DNA matched that particular  samples components, the sample was too meagre for FSS to be able to identify what it was, but the dog only alerts to blood, or anything mixed with it

An incomplete DNA result was obtained from cellular material on the swab (286A/2007 CRL 3a). The swab contained very little information and showed low level indications of DNA from more than one person. However, all of the confirmed DNA components within this result match the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Madeline McCann. LCN DNA profiling is highly sensitive; it is not possible attribute this DNA profile to a particular body fluid.

Still, it doesnt prove anythng, but the point is, some people shout it must be this or that but couldnt possibly be Madeleines.....no way, in the same way the cadaver dog alerts must mean this or that but no way suggest a possible death of a child in that flat, its a type of denial IMO

Perhaps someone could inform Hideho that there were no blood splatters on the wall... She doesn't seem to have integrated this fact 6 years on, yet promotes it as such in one or more of her "factual" videos.

[Redblossom]

Everything sent to the labs was alerted to by Keela.

And Keela alerts, only, to blood ...

So? the fact that the scientific labs  are incapable of  testing for cadaver scent means just that, thats why dogs are used btw Ferryman, perhaps you can suggest how samples of cadaver odour could be collected and sent as well
 

Nice try no cigar

[LagosBen]

Perhaps someone could inform Hideho that there were no blood splatters on the wall... She doesn't seem to have integrated this fact 6 years on, yet promotes it as such in one or more of her "factual" videos.

 8-)(--) The videos that she loves so much yet refused to come back here to defend them.

[ferryman]

Nice try no cigar

Good job I don't smoke ...