Where does evidence end and speculation take over?

[VIXTE]

Furthermore., why is it acceptable to point the finger at burglars, paedos, gypsies & tractor drivers without a jot of evidence against them.

I call that blatant hypocrisy.

What is wrong with this? I mean pointing finger at criminals if they already have a criminal record and they were around PDL at the time?

[colombosstogey]

Perhaps it would be beneficial to have a sticky thread with all the evidence......which is?

Evidence, broadly construed, is anything presented in support of an assertion.

This support may be strong or weak. The strongest type of evidence is that which provides direct proof of the truth of an assertion. At the other extreme is evidence that is merely consistent with an assertion but does not rule out other, contradictory assertions, as in circumstantial evidence.

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So what is the evidence for abduction?

What is the evidence for death?

[Mr Gray]

Evidence ends with the McCanns being innocent and speculation takes over when you accuse them of a crime

[Cariad]

Evidence ends with the McCanns being innocent and speculation takes over when you accuse them of a crime

What is the evidence of the Mccanns innocence?

[Mr Gray]

What is the evidence of the Mccanns innocence?

in any democracy there doesn't have to be evidence of innocence..it is presumed..as it should be..i'm sorry Cariad but that's a pathetic post and is typical of the way the mccanns are grossly unfairly treated

[Cariad]

in any democracy there doesn't have to be evidence of innocence..it is presumed..as it should be..i'm sorry Cariad but that's a pathetic post and is typical of the way the mccanns are grossly unfairly treated

I agree that innocent until proven guilty is the corner stone of our judicial system and is a principal I fully support. However, on a forum, not in a court of law, what is the evidence of their innocence?

[Mr Gray]

I agree that innocent until proven guilty is the corner stone of our judicial system and is a principal I fully support. However, on a forum, not in a court of law, what is the evidence of their innocence?

its a ridiculous question to ask,,,if this was the cornerstone of the judicial system then 6 years ago the mccannns would have prepared evidence to show their innocence  it isn't and they haven't...and I say again..this type of question reeks of absolute desperation to smear the MccANNS

[Mr Gray]

A brief reminder, if one was needed.

You can't be declared innocent of a crime unless, first charged, judged in a curt of law and then found innocent.

In this case, there is no evidence of an abductor and never was,forensically or otherwise.

People have therefore made their own conclusions over the matter.

 once again Stephen you show your complete ignorance...there is no verdict of innocent...only not guilty...it is a pain having to explain basic principles to posters who think they know it all...a good example is oj simpson who was found not guilty in a criminal court but culpable in a civil court

 

[stephen25000]

A brief reminder, if one was needed.

You can't be declared innocent of a crime unless, first charged, judged in a corrt of law and then found innocent.

In this case, there is no evidence of an abductor and never was,forensically or otherwise.

People have therefore made their own conclusions over the matter.

Whatever the outcome of the case and subsequent appeals, the taint of their neglect of their three children will always hang over their heads, and as was pointed out yesterday, the two surviving children will one day read all this.

That is the price the Mccanns will eventually pay, if nowhere else.

[stephen25000]

once again Stephen you show your complete ignorance...there is no verdict of innocent...only not guilty...it is a pain having to explain basic principles to posters who think they know it all...a good example is oj simpson who was found not guilty in a criminal court but culpable in a civil court

Do you have any concept of the Null Hypothesis system under which the UK courts operate ?

P.S. i NEVER SAID THERE WAS A VERDICT OF INNOCENCE.

Effectively,



H0 : INNOCENCE

H1 :  GUILT


By 'disproving' innocence you therefore 'prove' guilt.

[slartibartfast]

in any democracy there doesn't have to be evidence of innocence..it is presumed..as it should be..i'm sorry Cariad but that's a pathetic post and is typical of the way the mccanns are grossly unfairly treated

Actually an Alibi is the most common evidence of innocence.

[Cariad]

its a ridiculous question to ask,,,if this was the cornerstone of the judicial system then 6 years ago the mccannns would have prepared evidence to show their innocence  it isn't and they haven't...and I say again..this type of question reeks of absolute desperation to smear the MccANNS

I don't want to smear anyone! I understand that they are innocent until proven guilty, however, I believe that there is reason to consider them suspects.

If my child went missing, I would be the number one suspect. I would provide information that would either exonerate me or rule me in for further investigation. That's how it works.

Being a suspect doesn't automatically make someone the guilty party.

[John]

Perhaps it would be beneficial to have a sticky thread with all the evidence......which is?

Evidence, broadly construed, is anything presented in support of an assertion.

This support may be strong or weak. The strongest type of evidence is that which provides direct proof of the truth of an assertion. At the other extreme is evidence that is merely consistent with an assertion but does not rule out other, contradictory assertions, as in circumstantial evidence.

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So what is the evidence for abduction?

What is the evidence for death?

Good idea...I will see how this can be achieved.

[jassi]

I don't want to smear anyone! I understand that they are innocent until proven guilty, however, I believe that there is reason to consider them suspects.

If my child went missing, I would be the number one suspect. I would provide information that would either exonerate me or rule me in for further investigation. That's how it works.

Being a suspect doesn't automatically make someone the guilty party.

Something that has been amply demonstrated by the trail of discarded suspects to date - soon to be joined, no doubt, by Burglar Bill and his gang.

[John]

Evidence ends with the McCanns being innocent and speculation takes over when you accuse them of a crime

You say accuse but that is untrue.  Speculating as to someone's involvement in a yet as unknown crime is a speculation and not an accusation.