Author Topic: Where does evidence end and speculation take over?  (Read 21267 times)

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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Where does evidence end and speculation take over?
« Reply #75 on: January 10, 2014, 06:11:31 PM »


Quote out of  context and way before the files were released.

I'm amazed the board moderators tolerate such blatant deception.


No, it's from when Kate requested to see the LP files & is in her book.
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Lyall

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Re: Where does evidence end and speculation take over?
« Reply #76 on: January 10, 2014, 06:11:38 PM »
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Where does evidence end and speculation take over?
« Reply #77 on: January 10, 2014, 06:12:39 PM »
I think your "theory" oversteps the mark when you have no evidence to support it.

Where is this mark defined?


I think its a vile thing to say and totally unreasonable...

Abduction and sexual assault by paedophiles.


my theory is that it is the product of a disturbed mind...

Paedophiles tearing little girls private parts.

I could say a lot more but unfortunately I don't have the right to purport my theory re you...

Come on then princess do your worst, give me all you got. show us the real you.

The whole two hours of posts whizzing back and forth would be deleted as being off topic so is a complete waste of time..plus I dont wish to add to your troubles

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Where does evidence end and speculation take over?
« Reply #78 on: January 10, 2014, 06:14:46 PM »
The whole two hours of posts whizzing back and forth would be deleted as being off topic so is a complete waste of time..plus I dont wish to add to your troubles

Getting your knickers in a twist about a simple phrase, Man up.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Where does evidence end and speculation take over?
« Reply #79 on: January 10, 2014, 06:16:14 PM »
So it's irritating when people don't put a theory forward, yet you are appalled when someone does?  You've complained that I won't theorize and now you've spent all day throwing WS's theory back in his face.

If I weren't such a sweet, trusting soul, I'd wonder whether you nag for a theory just to allow you to be repulsed at the workings of a mind that could produce such a thing.
I think its appalling to suggest the McCanns would do such a thing...particularly as spam has no evidence to support his claim...in fact his claim that Maddie died (I don't think he used the word "may") before may 3rd has been shown to be false several times.

Lyall

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Re: Where does evidence end and speculation take over?
« Reply #80 on: January 10, 2014, 06:16:22 PM »


Quote out of  context and way before the files were released.

I'm amazed the board moderators tolerate such blatant deception.

The AG's report - upon which the McCanns are relying in Lisbon - specifically indicates no firm conclusions can be drawn from the available evidence about anything.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Where does evidence end and speculation take over?
« Reply #81 on: January 10, 2014, 06:17:24 PM »
I think its appalling to suggest the McCanns would do such a thing...particularly as spam has no evidence to support his claim...in fact his claim that Maddie died (I don't think he used the word "may") before may 3rd has been shown to be false several times.

I didn't claim anything as fact davel, that's the fact you choose to ignore.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Where does evidence end and speculation take over?
« Reply #82 on: January 10, 2014, 06:17:40 PM »
Getting your knickers in a twist about a simple phrase, Man up.

insults aren't so effective in the virtual world...unless of course you have insecurities

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Where does evidence end and speculation take over?
« Reply #83 on: January 10, 2014, 06:20:31 PM »
insults aren't so effective in the virtual world...unless of course you have insecurities

Funny, you tend to throw personal insult about alot don't you. Particuarly when someone dares to suggest something you disagree with.
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ferryman

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Re: Where does evidence end and speculation take over?
« Reply #84 on: January 10, 2014, 06:22:22 PM »
The AG's report - upon which the McCanns are relying in Lisbon - specifically indicates no firm conclusions can be drawn from the available evidence about anything.

I have stated many times that a renewed investigation opens up the possibility of all options, including the (technical) possibility that something might come to light (at present unknown) that might implicate the McCanns or any of their friends.

But that is vastly different from stating a blatant lie such as that the enquiry was shelved with huge suspicion hovering over any of the group of 9.

Outright and blatantly false.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Where does evidence end and speculation take over?
« Reply #85 on: January 10, 2014, 06:22:59 PM »
Since the 'Maddie in the bin' theory I purported caused so much outrage for it's content & not providing supporting evidence, I feel it incumbant upon me to portray the sources of my theory,


1) Madeleine's possible death before leaving the apartment,

I form the basis of this theory from the McCanns media interviews as follows,

GerryMcCann:  Aug 10, 2007  Sky News Interview.

“everything we have done, during the last hundred days, is focussed on, errr... the belief that Madeleine was alive when she was abducted”


So Gerry has  doubt as to her being alive before leaving the apartment, something which surely could only come from some sort of prior knowledge since it is seriously unlikely somone would murder her and leave with her body.


Radio Five Live Breakfast Interview  May 1st  2008

'what evidence does anyone have to suggest that Madeleine is dead?' because we know of no evidence to suggest otherwise and we would like a public acknowledgement of that."


Gerry, it would appear, knows of no evidence to suggest Madeleine is anything other than dead.


Kate McCann: Sara Antunes de Oliveira, SIC, 9 March, 2010

"We're not going to sit here and lie and be totally naïve and say she's one hundred per cent alive."


A few years later and Kate is even more certain in saying they would be lying if they said she was alive.

Again, something that could only come from prior knowledge.


2) Smithman.

I then utilised the Smiths sighting of an inert child being carried by a man with a 60-80% resemblence to Mr McCann. From this I propose during this hypothesis that the man seen was actually Gerry McCann carrying his deceased child.


3) Method of diposal.

And finally the bin, in Kates book she states:

"Friday 4 May. Our first day without Madeleine. As soon as it was light Gerry and I resumed our search. We went up and down roads we’d never seen before, having barely left the Ocean Club complex all week. We jumped over walls and raked through undergrowth. We looked in ditches and holes. All was quiet apart from the sound of barking dogs, which added to the eeriness of the atmosphere. I remember opening a big dumpster-type bin and saying to myself, please God, don’t let her be in here. The most striking and horrific thing about all this was that we were completely alone. Nobody else, it seemed, was out looking for Madeleine. Just us, her parents."


So less than 12 hours since Madeleine was apparently seen being carried away by Bundleman, Kate believed her daughter could possibly be found inside a big dumpster type bin,

Infact she considers it so likely that she pleads with God for her not to be in there.

From this I deduced that Kate knew it was where she went.
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Cariad

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Re: Where does evidence end and speculation take over?
« Reply #86 on: January 10, 2014, 06:24:34 PM »
I think its appalling to suggest the McCanns would do such a thing...particularly as spam has no evidence to support his claim...in fact his claim that Maddie died (I don't think he used the word "may") before may 3rd has been shown to be false several times.

So why ask for theories then?

Where is the evidence of a stranger entering 5A? Fingerprints? Hair? DNA? Broken shutters/windows/doors? Anything?

Lyall

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Re: Where does evidence end and speculation take over?
« Reply #87 on: January 10, 2014, 06:26:36 PM »
I have stated many times that a renewed investigation opens up the possibility of all options, including the (technical) possibility that something might come to light (at present unknown) that might implicate the McCanns or any of their friends.

But that is vastly different from stating a blatant lie such as that the enquiry was shelved with huge suspicion hovering over any of the group of 9.

Outright and blatantly false.

It's not false, it's a matter of opinion.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Where does evidence end and speculation take over?
« Reply #88 on: January 10, 2014, 06:27:20 PM »
Funny, you tend to throw personal insult about alot don't you. Particuarly when someone dares to suggest something you disagree with.

Mine aren't insults they are my actual feelings towards people... If I call someone stupid..thats because I think they have said something stupid....

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Where does evidence end and speculation take over?
« Reply #89 on: January 10, 2014, 06:27:59 PM »
I have stated many times that a renewed investigation opens up the possibility of all options, including the (technical) possibility that something might come to light (at present unknown) that might implicate the McCanns or any of their friends.

But that is vastly different from stating a blatant lie such as that the enquiry was shelved with huge suspicion hovering over any of the group of 9.

Outright and blatantly false.

Who has stated this supposed outright blatant lie here ferryman?
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