Is there any evidence at all which points to Madeleine being alive or dead?

[ferryman]

You are aware that human bone was found in Jersey?

Also a coconut shell (outside the trained reaction range of the dog, but perhaps more fun ...)

[Benice]

Utter nonsense!

You are shooting the messenger.

Quote from Martin Grime

My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD’s alert indications is that it is suggestive that this is ‘cadaver scent’ contaminant. This does not however suggest a motive or suspect as cross contamination could be as a result of a number of given scenarios and in any event no evidential or intelligence reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with corroborating evidence.
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You will notice that MG says it is 'suggestive that this is cadaver scent contaminant ''.   He does not say ''this is suggestive of a cadaver'' - i.e. a dead body.    This is because cadaverscent can be present for innocent reasons -and not necessarily associated with a dead body.

[John]

Let it go Sadie, let little Bushra live in peace with her Moroccan parents.  They even had to provide her birth certificate to nosey interferers last time round.  How many more little Moroccan, Romanian or Turkish girls will this touch?

[John]

It is pathetic but nothing surprises me anymore on how some people can convince themselves that a statement actually means the opposite of what it quite clearly says.

For instance:

''Neither her parents or any of the members of the group that were with her are either persons of interest or suspects''
DCI Redwood
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Apparently to some people  that means they are still suspects.   Inexplicable logic.

All that is, is police talk for watch this space. 

[sadie]

Let it go Sadie, let little Bushra live in peace with her Moroccan parents.  They even had to provide her birth certificate to nosey interferers last time round.  How many more little Moroccan, Romanian or Turkish girls will this touch?

John I know enough about shape and shadows on faces to KNOW that wasn't Bushra ... and it looked mightily like Madeleine.

Sorry, but it is my right to mention what i believe is valid

There are people on here repeatedly going on about the dogs never lie etc.  The etc. part is all rubbish as i suspect you know, yet they are allowed to express themselves

[Benice]

That's not what you said though is it? You said the urine, saliva and god knows what else didn't have to be present therefore it could be any of them. That's not what MG is saying. MG is saying the indication can only be proven with corroborating evidence. Without the corroborating evidence it is merely suggestive. Pretty straightforward.

So where is the forensic evidence to suggest it is not cadaver scent?

You said none of the body parts  which could have been present were found.    I was merely pointing out that they could have been there but are no longer there.   That doesn't exclude their residual scent still being detectable.   

Martin Grime's statement does not specifically refer to the scent of dead bodies, it only refers to the scent of decomposition.   The presence of a dead body is only one of several reasons for an alert.

No evidence was found to corroborate any of the cadaverscent alerts.





 

[Wonderfulspam]

Let it go Sadie, let little Bushra live in peace with her Moroccan parents.  They even had to provide her birth certificate to nosey interferers last time round.  How many more little Moroccan, Romanian or Turkish girls will this touch?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Bushra+Binhisa&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=mxvTUquRNdOAhAeToICIDA&ved=0CDIQsAQ&biw=728&bih=481

[John]

John I know enough about shape and shadows on faces to KNOW that wasn't Bushra ... and it looked mightily like Madeleine.

Sorry, but it is my right to mention what i believe is valid

There are people on here repeatedly going on about the dogs never lie etc.  The etc. part is all rubbish as i suspect you know, yet they are allowed to express themselves

Sadie forgets that that Spanish outfit were creating false sightings so as to keep the money flowing from the Madeleine Fund.   A thoroughly despicable shower of cowboys for sure. 

[colombosstogey]

Only if you're chucking balls at it! 

Yeh and where did the coconut come from in the first place ALL those many years ago lol...not the sort of thing you would buy in your local shop in the oldie days....

[Redblossom]

They don't have to be there - only to have been in contact to leave a scent - or could be underground - like the milk teeth found in Jersey as a result of Eddie's alerts.    This is why Martin Grimes repeatedly states that no evidential value can be given to those alerts unless there is evidence found to prove what it was Eddie alerted to  i.e. scent from a decomposing dead body or scent from decomposing material from a live person.

So Eddie the cadaver dog was reacting to "remnant scent" from saliva, semen, urine, sweat, nails, teeth etc? Really Benice.....youve excelled yourself in the making it up as you go along stakes, no need to answer.....but please dont quote Mr Grime or anyone else saying anything of the sort as its utter garbage and you know it! As is Grime ever saying(apart from blood nd semen) Eddie reacts to any of these things...its disinformation unless you can back it up and you cant

Better be careful, you could  be responsible for the makings of a new suspect....drooling sweaty finger chewing dirty old who doesnt flush!!!

[icabodcrane]

The op poses the question  :  Is there any evidence at all which points to Madeleine being alive or dead  ?

The answer is that there is some evidence that she may be dead

A dog that was trained to bark when he detected the  'smell of death'  barked in the apartment where the missing child was last seen

Is that 'conclusive'  evidence that the child died  in that apartment   ?  ...  No, it is not   ...  not without supporting forensic evidence

Is it suggestive  that the child  'may'  have died there ?   (  regardless of the fact that  corroborating forensic evidence was not found  )    ...  yes,  it is

So then,  in answer to the op,  there is some   evidence that might suggest the missing child is dead

Is there any evidence  at all  that suggests she is alive  ?  ...  none that I can see 

[Redblossom]

The op poses the question  :  Is there any evidence at all which points to Madeleine being alive or dead  ?

The answer is that there is some evidence that she may be dead

A dog that was trained to bark when he detected the  'smell of death'  barked in the apartment where the missing child was last seen

Is that 'conclusive'  evidence that the child died  in that apartment   ?  ...  No, it is not   ...  not without supporting forensic evidence

Is it suggestive  that the child  'may'  have died there ?   (  regardless of the fact that  corroborating forensic evidence was not found  )    ...  yes,  it is

So then,  in answer to the op,  there is some   evidence that might suggest the missing child is dead

Is there any evidence  at all  that suggests she is alive  ?  ...  none that I can see

much maligned  statistics that say NO,  PLUS cadaver dog PLUS cold case PLUS suspicious circumstances PLUS no evidence she is alive....PLUS millions reward,, PLUS unprecented funds, PLUS three police forces, pis, what are the odds?

[Angelo222]

Contrary to what Sadie constantly attempts to persuade us there is no evidence whatsoever that Madeleine is alive or where she might now be. There hasn't been a single confirmed sighting of her in over 6 years.  Nobody has ever been interviewed who saw her after she disappeared.  No suspect of the many interviewed has ever admitted coming across her.  She has for all intents and purposes effectively vanished into thin air!!

[colombosstogey]

Contrary to what Sadie constantly attempts to persuade us there is no evidence whatsoever that Madeleine is alive or where she might now be. There hasn't been a single confirmed sighting of her in over 6 years.  Nobody has ever been interviewed who saw her after she disappeared.  No suspect of the many interviewed has ever admitted coming across her.  She has for all intents and purposes effectively vanished into thin air!!

[/b]

Yes sadly, as though she never existed.

The thing for me is also one has to look at the odds.

IF she was taken by a pedophile I would say the odds for still being alive would be about 2%.

I fear she is with the angels sadly. x

[slartibartfast]

[/b]

Yes sadly, as though she never existed.

The thing for me is also one has to look at the odds.

IF she was taken by a pedophile I would say the odds for still being alive would be about 2%.

I fear she is with the angels sadly. x

Angels or Pedophiles, one hell of a choice. There is the third option of taken as a substitute daughter though I would say she was a little old.