Where was Gerry immediately after Kate found Madeleine gone at 10pm?

[sadie]

Green: balcony from which witnesses saw father searching and shouting childs name.
Yellow: apartment 5A.
Blue: Tapas area entrance
Purple: Tapas restuarant
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Well done Pegasus.  That shows all this talk about Gerry not searching is rubbish.  I wonder how far afield he went?

[Silkywhiskers]

Well done Pegasus.  That shows all this talk about Gerry not searching is rubbish.  I wonder how far afield he went?

probably to the beach and back.

 

[pegasus]

IMO times recalled in retrospect by many witnesses may be accidentally inaccurate. IMO the C family left tapas after KM left tapas. IMO the C family had only just crossed road when KM ran back to tapas. IMO Mrs C heard the same shouting of child's name as the the witnesses on a block 6 balcony heard and saw. IMO this is likely to be at most 4 minutes after alarm, probably less.

[Silkywhiskers]

The times have NEVER been clarified.

For this reason, the McCann was NEVER ruled out.

[pegasus]

Well done Pegasus.  That shows all this talk about Gerry not searching is rubbish.  I wonder how far afield he went?

Dont thank me, thank Mr Amaral's team for collecting these statements.

[sadie]

Dont thank me, thank Mr Amaral's team for collecting these statements.

That is par for the course Pegasus.  That is what police do.  I have nothing against the ordinary cop in PdL.  They worked hard.

You found the statement . and produced the images. 

 Well done

[pegasus]

SC statement:
"I vaguely remember that Gerry and Kate and other people from the group would leave the table in intervals".
Read that carefully, it indicates that the C family left tapas after KM left tapas.
Which means IMO that Mrs C heard the same searching and calling of child's name as did the witnesses on a balcony.

[pathfinder73]

SC statement:
"I vaguely remember that Gerry and Kate and other people from the group would leave the table in intervals".
Read that carefully, it indicates that the C family left tapas after KM left tapas.
Which means IMO that Mrs C heard the same searching and calling of child's name as did the witnesses on a balcony.

Agreed that it was probably Kate she heard on her check before she raised the alarm.

Thanks for the pic - regarding Berry's balcony - there's 2 exits Gerry could have used coming from the night crèche direction. The path that exits underneath Berry's balcony/car park opposite tapas bar - that's the short cut path route they used to take Madeleine or the north exit which takes you out by Murat's place. They may have heard Gerry shouting for Madeleine on the path - which exit he used is important - there's only 2 as I've just explained.

1. West Path Exit underneath Berry's balcony / car park

or

2. North Path Exit that comes out near to Murat's house

[pegasus]

Agreed that it was probably Kate she heard on her check before she raised the alarm.

Thanks for the pic - regarding Berry's balcony - there's 2 exits Gerry could have used coming from the night crèche direction. The path that exits underneath Berry's balcony/car park opposite tapas bar - that's the short cut path route they used to take Madeleine or the north exit which takes you out by Murat's place. They may have heard Gerry shouting for Madeleine on the path - which exit he used is important - there's only 2 as I've just explained.

1. West Path Exit underneath Berry's balcony / car park

or

2. North Path Exit that comes out near to Murat's house

How many minutes from the alarm, until the sighting from balcony, maybe 15 minutes in your theory?
Are you saying the people on that balcony were unaware of the entire first 15 minutes of the search below?
The balcony is even closer to 5A than tapas is.
IMO the peeps on balcony saw and heard the first searcher below (GM) about 2 or 3 minutes after the alarm.
I dont see how you can make failing to see and hear searchers for 15 minutes work.

[pathfinder73]

How many minutes from the alarm, until the sighting from balcony, maybe 15 minutes in your theory?
Are you saying the people on that balcony were unaware of the entire first 15 minutes of the search below?
The balcony is even closer to 5A than tapas is.
IMO the peeps on balcony saw and heard the first searcher below (GM) about 2 or 3 minutes after the alarm.
I dont see how you can make failing to see and hear searchers for 15 minutes work.

Their first statements aren't in the files so it's all speculation until we read them. All the details from 10pm onwards are in them. All I have is that 10.15 sighting of GM by them re Birch Digging for Madeleine info. Contact him to see where he got the info. I presume he somehow got the time from the missing first statements?

They all went searching around G4/G5, tapas area, tennis courts, Baptista supermarket first. Then at 10.10 Matt went to reception to phone police.

Yes 15 minutes is a good estimate to complete the circle. Could do it in 10 but it depends on other factors.

Did you notice the map open on the table in 5A Crime Scene pics?

[sadie]

SC statement:
"I vaguely remember that Gerry and Kate and other people from the group would leave the table in intervals".
Read that carefully, it indicates that the C family left tapas after KM left tapas.
Which means IMO that Mrs C heard the same searching and calling of child's name as did the witnesses on a balcony.

I do not see that at all Pegasus.  How do you get that Kate left the table before the Carpenter Family?

You could not have concluded that from the sentences you show.

[pegasus]

@pathfinder  The source, which you are refering to yet again, lies states that  the distance from where GM was seen from the balcony, to Liliana garden is  "under 20 metres". I am stating it is about 60 metres.
Put it this way round, if your source is credible then I am lying. BTW what distance did you measure?  >@@(*&)

[pathfinder73]

@pathfinder  The source, which you are refering to yet again, lies states that  the distance from where GM was seen from the balcony, to Liliana garden is  "under 20 metres". I am stating it is about 60 metres.
Put it this way round, if your source is credible then I am lying. BTW what distance did you measure?  >@@(*&)

Can they see Murat's house from the balcony?

[pegasus]

I do not see that at all Pegasus.  How do you get that Kate left the table before the Carpenter Family?
You could not have concluded that from the sentences you show.

Talking about the evening of 3rd May, witness SC says;
"I vaguely remember that Gerry and Kate and other people from the group would leave the table in intervals".
The 7th word indicates that SC and family were still at tapas when KM left the table

[pegasus]

Can they see Murat's house from the balcony?

Certainly not.
Here is another photo of balcony from which at least 2 witnesses heard and saw GM searching.
IMO because this is very close to 5A this can only have been within the very first few minutes after the alarm.