The dogs.....

[Mr Gray]

That's you taken care of then 

So do you agree with the post..as I do

[Carew]

Could be because blood was found in 5A, but none of the other apartments?

The "blood" dog did not alert to every site in 5A first marked by the "cadaver" dog.

[Anna]

The "blood" dog did not alert to every site in 5A first marked by the "cadaver" dog.

Sorry, but I don't understand what you are saying. A cadaver dog does scent dried blood too, does it not?

[Carew]

Sorry, but I don't understand what you are saying. A cadaver dog does scent dried blood too, does it not?

You replied to my post about the immediate interest shown by the "cadaver" dog in apartment 5A but not the other apartments by saying....

"Could be because blood was found in 5A, but none of the other apartments?"

This implies that perhaps only blood was behind the alerts in 5A.........but the "blood" dog did not confirm every site at 5A first marked by the "cadaver" dog........

........so perhaps not only blood caused the initial interest in 5A by the EVRD?

[Anna]

Dried blood?  Human or animal?  if human how?  Death or accident?

And there's still the problem how the CSI team apparently missed out on the blood

There were accidents that causing bleeding in 5A before the McCanns moved in and the specimens were collected, but inconclusive.

[Estuarine]

5A (Gerry/Kate McCann):
 
From 20h00 to 21h20, the dogs go through.
 
20h20: The cadaver dog, "marks," the couple's wardrobe area in the bedroom.
 
20h22: The cadaver dog, "marks" an area behind the sofa in the sitting room near the window overlooking the road.
 
From 20h47 to 21h20, the blood detecting dog goes through.
 
21h10 The dog, "marks" an area of floor behind the sofa in the sitting room, near the window overlooking the road.



5B (Matthew/Rachael Oldfield):
 
21h24 to 21h27: The cadaver dog did not alert on anything.

5D (Russell O'Brien/Jane Tanner):
 
21h29 to 21h34: The cadaver dog did not alert on anything.

5H (David/Fiona Payne & Dianne Webster):
 
21h35 to 21h38: The cadaver dog did not alert on anything.

4G (McCanns' second Ocean Club apartment):
 
21h42 to 21h45: The cadaver dog did not alert on anything.

Garden belonging to apartment 5A (with access via the balcony and the steps):

21h49 to 22h00: The cadaver dog "marks" an area of the garden immediately below the window.



We might as well have those bits for good luck

[Brietta]

Knowing how sensitive Eddie's nose was and the minutia of human detritus he was able to identify it would be impossible to state exactly what he was alerting to in 5a without forensic back-up.
 
For example, I think Eddie knew exactly what he was alerting to and would have known if it had been deposited the day before or two years before.  He probably could determine exactly what it was, whether cadaver or cells from a living person.
 
However the dog's bark is no use on its own and we can only work out what he is telling us by retrieving evidence which will substantiate his alert.

I believe Mr Grime has categorically stated this.
 
Am I right in thinking Mr Grime has never claimed Eddie's alerts meant Madeleine died in 5a?

[Anna]

Knowing how sensitive Eddie's nose was and the minutia of human detritus he was able to identify it would be impossible to state exactly what he was alerting to in 5a without forensic back-up.
 
For example, I think Eddie knew exactly what he was alerting to and would have known if it had been deposited the day before or two years before.  He probably could determine exactly what it was, whether cadaver or cells from a living person.
 
However the dog's bark is no use on its own and we can only work out what he is telling us by retrieving evidence which will substantiate his alert.

I believe Mr Grime has categorically stated this.
 
Am I right in thinking Mr Grime has never claimed Eddie's alerts meant Madeleine died in 5a?

Spot on Brietta 

[jassi]

Knowing how sensitive Eddie's nose was and the minutia of human detritus he was able to identify it would be impossible to state exactly what he was alerting to in 5a without forensic back-up.
 
For example, I think Eddie knew exactly what he was alerting to and would have known if it had been deposited the day before or two years before.  He probably could determine exactly what it was, whether cadaver or cells from a living person.
 
However the dog's bark is no use on its own and we can only work out what he is telling us by retrieving evidence which will substantiate his alert.

I believe Mr Grime has categorically stated this.
 
Am I right in thinking Mr Grime has never claimed Eddie's alerts meant Madeleine died in 5a?

Well he couldn't, could he? The best he could have managed would have been that someone probably died in 5A - he certainly couldn't be specific down to a named person.

[John]

Am I right in thinking Mr Grime has never claimed Eddie's alerts meant Madeleine died in 5a?

Eddie's alerts were so vague that his handler could never claim anything like that.  Remember that Eddie alerted to blood too and to blood from a living person.  I'm afraid we will have to await the next generation doggie possibly the SVRD.

[pathfinder73]

How is that when Eddie alerted at the wardrobe and out in the garden and Keela didn't? How is it blood? Keela has to get in real close with her nose and freeze alert for blood. Eddie's behaviour changed as soon as he got to 5A. Behaviour changed for a spec of blood? It changed because he recognised cadaver scent which is what he was trained to find. Was there blood on the alerted clothes?

[John]

How is that when Eddie alerted at the wardrobe and out in the garden and Keela didn't? How is it blood? Keela has to get in real close with her nose and freeze alert for blood. Eddie's behaviour changed as soon as he got to 5A. Behaviour changed for a spec of blood? It changed because he recognised cadaver scent which is what he was trained to find. Was there blood on the alerted clothes?

Eddie reacted to all manner of substances including cadaverine according to his handler so differentiating between them is an impossible task.

[pathfinder73]

Eddie reacted to all manner of substances including cadaverine according to his handler so differentiating between them is an impossible task.

The clothes didn't have any blood on them so it was cadaver scent. What's the use of having Keela if superdog Eddie can do everything himself? Keela has to get in very close to alert to blood. Cadaver scent changed Eddie's behaviour straight away not blood. If not blood what else could it be?

[Mr Gray]

The clothes didn't have any blood on them so it was cadaver scent. What's the use of having Keela if superdog Eddie can do everything himself? Keela has to get in very close to alert to blood. Cadaver scent changed his behaviour straight away not blood. So what else could it be?

had the clothes been in contact with any baby teeth?

[Wonderfulspam]

The clothes didn't have any blood on them so it was cadaver scent. What's the use of having Keela if Eddie can do everything himself? Keela has to get in very close for blood. Eddie knew as soon as he got to 5A. Cadaver scent changed his behaviour straight away not blood. So what else could it be?

You have heard them all before I'm sure, semen, seabass, trips to the morgue etc etc.