The dogs.....

[stephen25000]

Last night Benice, I posted in support of you too.  Two posts

It was a substantial post, and it took a long time to produce because I needed to repeatedly look at the doggy video and check.   But I see, despite its information, it has been deleted.  I wonder why?

I detailed a number of relevant points about the video including the cammanding back of Eddie four times.  Altogether he was by the Mccann car 5 times.

Grime may not have realised it, but he kept calling back AND rapping on the Mccann car in a much more persistent way than he did with any other cars,.  Most had no calling back or rapping at all.

Eddie would have little doubt as to which car he was to react to with all this cueing

 

Are you a professional dog handler sadie ?

Or merely here to defend the mccanns at all costs ?

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Your post demonstrates Albertinis analysis so aptly.

[sadie]

This is not about what i think or accept, it's about your opinions Dave.

You're not copping out again are you?

Oh Albertini !  I always used to think that you were a serious poster

Why are you saying things like that to davel.  He never cops out of anything. He always debates, even against a crowd of you.

And it is not davels opinions, it is FACT that Eddies alerts were either to cadervine, blood or sweat or wee or ....

And we know that a man had bled quite profusely from a shaving accident in 5A .  Also the child of some other holliday makers in that apartment had had an accident with bleeding, so bad thta she had to be taken for medical treatment



Of course Eddie alerted.  Two lots of blood in the previous few weeks
Why didn't Amaral check, using the dogs, right after Madeleine went?  Before other people had stayed there and poluted the place?. 

The dogs were offered, I believe, as stated on this forum before

Just why did Amaral leave it so late?  Too late..

[sadie]

This is not about what i think or accept, it's about your opinions Dave.

You're not copping out again are you?

Albertinio.  Davel never cops out. Please stop spreading disinformation

He debates against several posters at the same time and very well.

Please stop spreading disinformation.

[Albertini]

Oh Albertini !  I always used to think that you were a serious poster

Why are you saying things like that to davel.  He never cops out of anything. He always debates, even against a crowd of you.

And it is not davels opinions, it is FACT that Eddies alerts were either to cadervine, blood or sweat or wee or ....

And we know that a man had bled quite profusely from a shaving accident in 5A .  Also the child of some other holliday makers in that apartment had had an accident with bleeding, so bad thta she had to be taken for medical treatment



Of course Eddie alerted.  Two lots of blood in the previous few weeks
Why didn't Amaral check, using the dogs, right after Madeleine went?  Before other people had stayed there and poluted the place?. 

The dogs were offered, I believe, as stated on this forum before

Just why did Amaral leave it so late?  Too late..

Disinformation?

How about this you said Sadie:

And it is not davels opinions, it is FACT that Eddies alerts were either to cadervine, blood or sweat or wee or ....

From Martin Grime's Rogatory:

'Taking into account the signals of CSI, could the dog alert to other biological fluids''
The dog that alerts to human blood is trained exclusively for this purpose, and includes its components, plasma, red cells, white cells and platelets. Given the nature of the training, the dog will not alert to urine, saliva, semen sweat, nasal secretion, vaginal secretion or human skin unless these are mixed with blood. The components of blood are approximately:
Red cells 40-50%
Plasma 55% (of which 95% is water)
White cells
Platelets
DNA can only be removed from white cells.
This would suggest that, of the samples signalled by the dog looking for human blood, approximately 5% are available for DNA tests.

[Albertini]

Albertinio.  Davel never cops out. Please stop spreading disinformation

He debates against several posters at the same time and very well.

Please stop spreading disinformation.

Of course he has copped out you silly billy!

He has stated on record he accepts Grime's findings 100% but the only point he has so far acknoweldged is the legalese about the alerts requiring evidentiary corroboration.

He has not gone anywhere near a hypothesis for ALL the alerts, despite claiming he accepts them 100%.

That my dear is a cop out.

[Cariad]

Oh Albertini !  I always used to think that you were a serious poster

Why are you saying things like that to davel.  He never cops out of anything. He always debates, even against a crowd of you.

And it is not davels opinions, it is FACT that Eddies alerts were either to cadervine, blood or sweat or wee or ....

And we know that a man had bled quite profusely from a shaving accident in 5A .  Also the child of some other holliday makers in that apartment had had an accident with bleeding, so bad thta she had to be taken for medical treatment



Of course Eddie alerted.  Two lots of blood in the previous few weeks
Why didn't Amaral check, using the dogs, right after Madeleine went?  Before other people had stayed there and poluted the place?. 

The dogs were offered, I believe, as stated on this forum before

Just why did Amaral leave it so late?  Too late..

Can you provide a cite for the red bit please? Not a quote from another poster, but an official cite.

[Wonderfulspam]

Ok, so put yourself in the shoes of an impartial investigator. You have numerous alerts all (and only) related to McCann properties and possessions.

What is your hypothesis, given you accept Grime 100%, for such alerts ONLY in McCann properties and possessions.

How, as an investigator, do you explain that, what conclusions and indications do you draw from them and how do those alerts frame your investigation?

Throw into the mix the  'no missing persons returning to life after cadaver dog alerts'

and then see..

How, as an investigator, do you explain that, what conclusions and indications do you draw from them and how do those alerts frame your investigation?

You will find a massive cop out or deflection, distraction is the most likely outcome here.

[jassi]

Throw into the mix the  'no missing persons returning to life after cadaver dog alerts'

and then see..

How, as an investigator, do you explain that, what conclusions and indications do you draw from them and how do those alerts frame your investigation?

You will find a massive cop out or deflection, distraction is the most likely outcome here.

Of course. Fortunately it will be to no avail, as SY will pay absolutely no attention to the ramblings of  the True Believers  and will draw their own conclusions from the evidence available to them.

[Carew]

From Carew:-

Yes, Sadie....and I replied to both you and Benice last night asking for cites or professional opinions to back up what amounts to amateurs like yourselves smearing and discrediting Mr Grime based on your interpretations of his work........simply because you feel "entitled" to an opinion.

Both my posts have been removed with no explanation and were certainly not off topic.............nor as potentially libellous, imo,  as are the conclusions / assessments of you two as regards Mr Grime`s report to the investigation and his work.



Then sadie says

Carew, the evidence of what I say is before your eyes.  Look and see

I doubt that Grime had realised just how much he was commanding / calling back and rapping, but it is there for all to see.

I have no hesitation on reposting what I said cos the evidence is there.  Just take the time to assess what you are seeing.   It takes a while for it to sink in just how much the Mccann car is being pointed out ... but it is.  PLay the video several times if you doubt me.



Carew`s reply.........

The bottom line is that Mr Grime`s deployment and reports to the investigation have not, as far as I know, been subject to any official inquiry or rebuke.

If you cannot back up what you opine without cites or professional opinions, then your views / assessments / conclusions,........... no matter how sincerely felt..................are not "evidence".

He`s the expert.........not you and Benice.

To keep implying that if I watch the video long enough I will, in effect, "see the obvious right before my eyes" is patronising and merely underlines the attitude of arrogance which underpins your posts about Mr Grime`s deployment of the dogs.

 

[sadie]

From Carew:-

Yes, Sadie....and I replied to both you and Benice last night asking for cites or professional opinions to back up what amounts to amateurs like yourselves smearing and discrediting Mr Grime based on your interpretations of his work........simply because you feel "entitled" to an opinion.

Both my posts have been removed with no explanation and were certainly not off topic.............nor as potentially libellous, imo,  as are the conclusions / assessments of you two as regards Mr Grime`s report to the investigation and his work.



Then sadie says

Carew, the evidence of what I say is before your eyes.  Look and see

I doubt that Grime had realised just how much he was commanding / calling back and rapping, but it is there for all to see.

I have no hesitation on reposting what I said cos the evidence is there.  Just take the time to assess what you are seeing.   It takes a while for it to sink in just how much the Mccann car is being pointed out ... but it is.  PLay the video several times if you doubt me.



Carew`s reply.........

The bottom line is that Mr Grime`s deployment and reports to the investigation have not, as far as I know, been subject to any official inquiry or rebuke.

If you cannot back up what you opine without cites or professional opinions, then your views / assessments / conclusions,........... no matter how sincerely felt..................are not "evidence" and they smear and discredit a professional doing his job imo.

He`s the expert.........not you and Benice.

To keep implying that if I watch the video long enough I will, in effect, "see the obvious right before my eyes" is patronising and merely underlines the attitude of arrogance which underpins your posts about Mr Grime`s deployment of the dogs.

You are entitled to your views Carew.  Nothing patronising nor derogatory about saying the evidence is before your eyes, cos it is.  Mr Grime repeatedly commands Eddie back and repeatedly raps the car in a commanding way.  Very little of that occurs with the other cars.

Benice was absolutely correct in her statement that started all this.  That Grimes appraoch changed with the Mccann car; that he gave The Mccann car different attention ... very different imo


Are you going to keep going on about this and drawing attention to the video and the obvious differences, cos if you do, "it is an Own goal". 

By watching the video, readers can see with their very own eyes just how much more attention Mr Grime gives to the Mccann car.

http://youtu.be/FTF4JTLeOWA

Cant you understand that

[Cariad]

You are entitled to your views Carew.  Nothing patronising nor derogatory about saying the evidence is before your eyes, cos it is.  Mr Grime repeatedly commands Eddie back and repeatedly raps the car in a commanding way.  Very little of that occurs with the other cars.

Benice was absolutely correct in her statement that started all this.  That Grimes appraoch changed with the Mccann car; that he gave The Mccann car different attention ... very different imo


Are you going to keep going on about this and drawing attention to the video and the obvious differences, cos if you do, "it is an Own goal". 

By watching the video, readers can see with their very own eyes just how much more attention Mr Grime gives to the Mccann car.

http://youtu.be/FTF4JTLeOWA

Cant you understand that

I think the point that you are missing is that Mr Grime has never been picked up on it by peers.

You and I can think what we like. If he'd done a crappy job, you'd think another dog handler might have pointed it out by now. Plus, you'd think he'd have been out of a job and the Mccanns would've tried to sue on the grounds that his 'obvious cueing' damaged their reputation.

None of that has happened. The most likely conclusion is that the people who know what they're on about don't think he did a crappy job.

[Carew]

You are entitled to your views Carew.  Nothing patronising nor derogatory about saying the evidence is before your eyes, cos it is.  Mr Grime repeatedly commands Eddie back and repeatedly raps the car in a commanding way.  Very little of that occurs with the other cars.

Benice was absolutely correct in her statement that started all this.  That Grimes appraoch changed with the Mccann car; that he gave The Mccann car different attention ... very different imo


Are you going to keep going on about this and drawing attention to the video and the obvious differences, cos if you do, "it is an Own goal". 

By watching the video, readers can see with their very own eyes just how much more attention Mr Grime gives to the Mccann car.

http://youtu.be/FTF4JTLeOWA

Cant you understand that

There you go again........from your position of self-appointed superiority..........You can`t seem to help it.

He gives attention to the car because the dog has indicated an interest in it............His report says so!

You and Benice deciding on an alternative explanation matters not.

No matter what you implore readers to view..............His report stands......... and has not been officially challenged by any expert.

Come back when/if it ever is.............and that point about "own goal" is a bit childish.........Why would I mind how often a video is viewed?

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[jassi]

I think the point that you are missing is that Mr Grime has never been picked up on it by peers.

You and I can think what we like. If he'd done a crappy job, you'd think another dog handler might have pointed it out by now. Plus, you'd think he'd have been out of a job and the Mccanns would've tried to sue on the grounds that his 'obvious cueing' damaged their reputation.

None of that has happened. The most likely conclusion is that the people who know what they're on about don't think he did a crappy job.

Indeed, he is, or has been employed by the FBI, who are reputed to be the best in the business, so they must have confidence in him. and his dogs.

[ferryman]

Dated  "Thursday 24 March 2011. "

Presumably SY have had plenty of time to read it...........and still Mr Grime`s deployment hasn`t received any official comment.

We have had an acknowledgement, though, that Madeleine may have died in the apartment.

Hasn't the message got through, yet, that Scotland Yard investigating a sexual predator of children with a predilection for sexually abusing girls in their beds has nothing to do with the dogs?

[sadie]

Hasn't the message got through, yet, that Scotland Yard investigating a sexual predator of children with a predilection for sexually abusing girls in their beds has nothing to do with the dogs?

Seems they have a massive blind spot




Nah, I should have said, "They have loads of blindspots" which prevent them seeing their way to the light