The dogs.....

[faithlilly]

no  I understand very well..it is impossible to prove  a false alert ..  when the skull in jersey was found to be  a coconut...was that a false alert

It is an uncobborated alert. That it could not be proven scientifically that a body had lain there at some time does not make it a false positive.

[faithlilly]

I seem to remember a cadaver dog alerted in the Shannon Mathews case

It did indeed Dave, to a mattress on which someone had died.

Did anyone die in 5a ?

[Mr Gray]

It did indeed Dave, to a mattress on which someone had died.

Did anyone die in 5a ?

not that I am aware of..was there ever a cadaver in 5a

[slartibartfast]

no  I understand very well..it is impossible to prove  a false alert ..  when the skull in jersey was found to be  a coconut...was that a false alert

No, because of the human bones also found.

[Benice]

No, because of the human bones also found.

IIRC loads of milk teeth were also found.   Therefore evidence that dogs do alert to body bits from living people - and not just cadavers.

[faithlilly]

IIRC loads of milk teeth were also found.   Therefore evidence that dogs do alert to body bits from living people - and not just cadavers.

No it doesn't. All it proves is that milk teeth were found at a spot where a cadaver may have lain.

[Benice]

No it doesn't. All it proves is that milk teeth were found at a spot where a cadaver may have lain.

Whether a cadaver may or may not have lain there is just guesswork on your part.

On the other hand - milk teeth were retrieved from there and are the material evidence (no guesswork required) that Eddie had alerted to body parts from living people.

[slartibartfast]

Whether a cadaver may or may not have lain there is just guesswork on your part.

On the other hand - milk teeth were retrieved from there and are the material evidence (no guesswork required) that Eddie had alerted to body parts from living people.

...and bones which didn't come from living people....

[faithlilly]

Whether a cadaver may or may not have lain there is just guesswork on your part.

On the other hand - milk teeth were retrieved from there and are the material evidence (no guesswork required) that Eddie had alerted to body parts from living people.

No Benice. You are putting two and two together and making five.

[Benice]

...and bones which didn't come from living people....

But which were hundreds of years old IIRC.

How would anyone know without digging down and with no corroborating evidence to prove otherwise -  that an alert in 5A was not to bones buried hundreds of years ago?

[Brietta]

No Benice. You are putting two and two together and making five.

You are adding figures to make 666.

The milk teeth are proof: there is no proof that a corpse may have lain there; therefore there is proof only that the dog alerted to milk teeth.

[Wonderfulspam]

Whether a cadaver may or may not have lain there is just guesswork on your part.

On the other hand - milk teeth were retrieved from there and are the material evidence *(no guesswork required) that Eddie had alerted to body parts from living people.

*guesswork required here being that the previous owners of said teeth were alive at the time when they & their gnashers parted company.

[slartibartfast]

You are adding figures to make 666.

The milk teeth are proof: there is no proof that a corpse may have lain there; therefore there is proof only that the dog alerted to milk teeth.

Which bit of human bones did you not understand?

[Brietta]

Which bit of human bones did you not understand?

-snipped - Detective Superintendent Michael Gradwell said Wednesday that the rooms described as underground punishment chambers where children were beaten and raped were "just cellars." He said bones found at the home dated from between 1470 and 1670, while the alleged shackles were "just rusty metal."
http://metro.co.uk/2008/03/04/jersey-graves-could-be-bergerac-tv-props-23444/

It is also alleged that while filming Bergerac an area which was dug up for a scene depicting a graveyard uncovered a real graveyard and disturbed bones from a real graveyard in the process.
http://metro.co.uk/2008/03/04/jersey-graves-could-be-bergerac-tv-props-23444/

You really should do some research before jumping on a bandwagon.

[slartibartfast]

-snipped - Detective Superintendent Michael Gradwell said Wednesday that the rooms described as underground punishment chambers where children were beaten and raped were "just cellars." He said bones found at the home dated from between 1470 and 1670, while the alleged shackles were "just rusty metal."
http://metro.co.uk/2008/03/04/jersey-graves-could-be-bergerac-tv-props-23444/

It is also alleged that while filming Bergerac an area which was dug up for a scene depicting a graveyard uncovered a real graveyard and disturbed bones from a real graveyard in the process.
http://metro.co.uk/2008/03/04/jersey-graves-could-be-bergerac-tv-props-23444/

You really should do some research before jumping on a bandwagon.

You have lost me there, you seem to be agreeing with me?