Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine

[ferryman]

It's on 'you tube'.

The definitive last word.

More authoritative, even, than any court in any land ....

[stephen25000]

It's on 'you tube'.

The definitive last word.

More authoritative, even, than any court in any land ....

Watch it and hear her own words ferryman.

[Montclair]

An article re another trial of a Brit in Portugal
Garry’s trial in Portugal saw him arrested, tried and convicted all in the space of 48 hours. A British police officer in attendance at the trial has described how Garry was unable to instruct a lawyer and unable to understand the proceedings due to the poor quality of translation and interpretation provided. For this reason, a British court in 2005 found that his conviction in Portugal was unsafe and the trial had breached his fair trial rights.

So how good were the translators in the mccanns case?

Was this the case of the guy who was arrested during the 2004 European Cup? Do you have any references to this case? AFAIK, no one can go to court without a lawyer to represent him/her. Didn't the British Ambassador rush down from Lisbon to help him as he did with the McCanns?

[Montclair]

last time I checked neither Kate nor Gerry spoke Portuguese so didn't have a clue what they were signing. As they were being interviewed as witnesses and not arguidos it didn't matter that much,,how come I keep having to explain Portuguese law and procedure to you...

interestingly in another case in the press the translator appointed by the court was a local hairdresser...another pointer to the poor standards in Portuguese justice

Didn't the McCanns get a professional to translate the police files for them? Any discrepencies would have been pointed out, I'm sure.

Do you think that a local hairdresser is not capable of speaking a foreign language? She could have been bilingual for all you know, there a lot of people in the Algarve who have both English and Portuguese parents. Of course, most people in the Algarve speak English. AFAIK, most English don't bother to try to learn a foreign language, even the language of the country they are living in as expats.

[sadie]

Thank you Alice. I allowed one minute there and the same back. Three minutes in apt for GM to use toilet and have his fatherly moment gazing at Madeleine and the three? minutes speaking with Jez. So roughly 8 minutes which would have seen him sit back down at table around 9.13 at the earliest? I don't understand why Kate would then stand up around 12 minutes later at 9.25 ready to go and carry out a check (the one that MO did instead)? And with all the two-ing and fro-ing from the tapas group between 9 and 9.30, I really don't see how Madeleine could have been 'taken' unnoticed during this time.

Hang on, the visit to the loo?

That could take 2 minutes or it could take 8 or 10.

Again, we dont know, do we?

[pathfinder73]

Yes we do. It doesn't take a genius to work out what really is going on Sadie! 2 moves to keep your alibi.

So he, yeah, he, he went off to his check and he was longer than a bit, because I can remember Kate sort of saying ‘Oh bet he’s put the footy on’, because I think there was a football match that night and she sort of said ‘Oh I think he’s probably’, erm, you know, ‘got side tracked and put the telly on and catch up on the score’, so he was gone a bit longer than normal.  (JT)

[sadie]

Yes we do. It doesn't take a genius to work out what really is going on Sadie! 2 moves everyone knows they heard it from me. That's the way to keep your alibi but revealing 10:03 as Anthony Summers now knows from me (overconfidence precedes carelessness) was a gigantic mistake!

So he, yeah, he, he went off to his check and he was longer than a bit, because I can remember Kate sort of saying ‘Oh bet he’s put the footy on’, because I think there was a football match that night and she sort of said ‘Oh I think he’s probably’, erm, you know, ‘got side tracked and put the telly on and catch up on the score’, so he was gone a bit longer than normal.  (JT)

Oh, so YOU KNOW how long Gerry was in the loo.

So YOU KNOW what he did in the loo  [sorry to be so crude]




So YOU were there?
Is this a confession?


Soz pathfinder, but  *&*%£

[stephen25000]

I have no idea .... neither have you

.... and I wouldn't presume to "hang a man" on assumptions.

Is that rather like an abductor sadie for which there exists nae proof ?......................

[sadie]

Is that rather like an abductor sadie for which there exists nae proof ?......................

And when have I presumed to "hang" a named abductor?

As you, and others of your ilk, keep doing with The Mccanns.

[stephen25000]

And when have I presumed to "hang" a named abductor?

As you, and others of your ilk, keep doing with The Mccanns.

No sadie, I thought you wouldn't get that.

So I'll try again.

Your presumption for the disappearance is that an 'abductor did it'.

Now where is the proof of that ?

As to the mccanns, they are responsible for what they failed to on those days.............

i.e.Exhibit 'responsible parenting skills'.

[Mr Gray]

Was this the case of the guy who was arrested during the 2004 European Cup? Do you have any references to this case? AFAIK, no one can go to court without a lawyer to represent him/her. Didn't the British Ambassador rush down from Lisbon to help him as he did with the McCanns?

Unfair Trial in Portugal
 · Garry Mann, a 52-year-old former fireman from Kent, attended the Euro 2004 football tournament in Portugal. While Garry was spending the night with friends in a bar in Albufeira, a riot took place in a nearby street. Garry was arrested on 15 June 2004 and was arrested, tried and convicted all in the space of 48 hours. A British police officer at the trial has described the proceedings as a “farce”. Garry had only five minutes with his lawyer before the trial and did not know what he was charged with until after he was convicted. He was unable to understand the proceedings due to the poor quality of interpretation: the interpreter was a local hairdresser and a friend of the judge’s wife.· On 18 June 2004, Garry consented to his deportation to the UK after reportedly being told by the Portuguese authorities that the sentence would not be carried out if he agreed to voluntary deportation. New evidence from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office confirms that they, too, shared this view. He was then escorted to the airport by the Portuguese authorities and sent back to the UK without having to serve any time in prison in Portugal.


poor quality of the interpretation...that should explain a lot in the McCann case

[stephen25000]

Unfair Trial in Portugal
 · Garry Mann, a 52-year-old former fireman from Kent, attended the Euro 2004 football tournament in Portugal. While Garry was spending the night with friends in a bar in Albufeira, a riot took place in a nearby street. Garry was arrested on 15 June 2004 and was arrested, tried and convicted all in the space of 48 hours. A British police officer at the trial has described the proceedings as a “farce”. Garry had only five minutes with his lawyer before the trial and did not know what he was charged with until after he was convicted. He was unable to understand the proceedings due to the poor quality of interpretation: the interpreter was a local hairdresser and a friend of the judge’s wife.· On 18 June 2004, Garry consented to his deportation to the UK after reportedly being told by the Portuguese authorities that the sentence would not be carried out if he agreed to voluntary deportation. New evidence from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office confirms that they, too, shared this view. He was then escorted to the airport by the Portuguese authorities and sent back to the UK without having to serve any time in prison in Portugal.


poor quality of the interpretation...that should explain a lot in the McCann case

'poor quality of the interpretation...that should explain a lot in the McCann case'.


You have evidence for this I presume ?



Meanwhile the  'poor quality' on display in Portugal was the mccanns parenting skills.

[sadie]

No sadie, I thought you wouldn't get that.

So I'll try again.

Your presumption for the disappearance is that an 'abductor did it'.

Now where is the proof of that ?

As to the mccanns, they are responsible for what they failed to on those days.............

i.e.Exhibit 'responsible parenting skills'.

There are several indicators to an abduction that you prefer to ignore

So where is your "proof" that The Mccanns were involved .... in any way?

There aint any, just lurid imagination.

[stephen25000]

There are several indicators to an abduction that you prefer to ignore

So where is your "proof" that The Mccanns were involved .... in any way?

There aint any, just lurid imagination.

Indications sadie ?

What are they ?

P.S. I haven't said the mccanns were involved in Madeleine's demise. Please get things right.

[Mr Gray]

Indications sadie ?

What are they ?

P.S. I haven't said the mccanns were involved in Madeleine's demise. Please get things right.

If Maddie died in an accident as you have stated then the mccanns would be involved in several illegalities