Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine

[Wonderfulspam]

Sure, I understand.  You're backing down and rather regretting your wild accusations about the author.  let the reader decide is a very good idea, one which you should have adopted from the off, rather than poor scorn and ridicule on the book before you'd even read it!

It's a book about the abduction isn't it, Alf?

Maddie wasn't abducted imo.

Ergo the book is a load of sh*t, it's that simple, Alf.

[faithlilly]

Sure, I understand.  You're backing down and rather regretting your wild accusations about the author.  let the reader decide is a very good idea, one which you should have adopted from the off, rather than poor scorn and ridicule on the book before you'd even read it!

Let us be clear about this Alfred. I think Mr Summers efforts are a confection of unsubstantiated news articles, self-serving tomes and speculation. There is nothing new in it that isn't already in the public domain for free. He has conducted no new interviews with the main protagonists ( an interview with a friend of a friend who alleges someone entered her apartment just does not cut the mustard at this level ) but what is worse feels that this this has somehow made the book more objective !!!

TBF while the investigation is still ongoing ( notice even Mr Amaral waited until the case was shelved ) Mr Summers was always going to have problems persuading people close to the case to talk but this simply begs the question why not wait until Madeleine's fate is known or the SY/PJ investigations are wound down ?

[pathfinder73]

Chapter 13 notes re Paiva

KM immediately reacted in a negative manner - what are my parents going to think? what is the press going to say? The Portuguese police is under pressure?

During a telephone call between GM he made reference to the investigation that he was certain that the police did not have any proof that could incriminate them with regards to the death of Madeleine and said they were wasting their time.

The McCanns gradually begun to react in a very negative manner during the use of English sniffer dogs for detecting cadaver odour and the hypothesis of death. Several times they said the attention should be on abduction and continue to investigate Robert Murat.

Strangely after 3 months Kate said twins should be tested for a sedative drug used on the night. A situation Kate refers to being plausible according to what she had read in a criminal investigation manual. This being the procedure of a child's ABDUCTION, RAPE and MURDER.

[Mr Moderator]

The words dishonest/dishonesty imply a will to deceive and unless this can be proven beyond doubt they should not be used.  Acceptable terms would be inaccurate or mistaken or even disingenuous.

[Eleanor]

The words dishonest/dishonesty imply a will to deceive and unless this can be proven beyond doubt they should not be used.  Acceptable terms would be inaccurate or mistaken or even disingenuous.

Thank You for qualifying that.  Tis mortal hard sometimes.

[Angelo222]

Does Summers and Swan mention the fact that the AG had to shelve the case because the tapas group refused to take part in a reconstitution?

Did they investigate the real reasons why they refused?  Were they interviewed?

A definitive account was it??   &%&£(+

[Carana]

Does Summers and Swan mention the fact that the AG had to shelve the case because the tapas group refused to take part in a reconstitution?

Did they investigate the real reasons why they refused?  Were they interviewed?

A definitive account was it??   &%&£(+

What on earth makes you assume that the case was shelved because the "tapas group" declined to go for a reconstitution? The case had to be concluded one way or another: either to charge one or more of the three arguidos or to shelve it. The time limit had already long run out.

[Angelo222]

What on earth makes you assume that the case was shelved because the "tapas group" declined to go for a reconstitution? The case had to be concluded one way or another: either to charge one or more of the three arguidos or to shelve it. The time limit had already long run out.

The AG says so in his archiving report.  You cannot be any more definitive then that.

[Carana]

The AG says so in his archiving report.  You cannot be any more definitive then that.

Where does it say that it was shelved because of that?

[Eleanor]

The AG says so in his archiving report.  You cannot be any more definitive then that.

 Oh really.  Just how definitive do you think that was?  Do you understand Definitive?

[Angelo222]

I find the lack of detail in the book relating to events prior to the Thursday night concerning. They also wrongly claim that Gerry accompanied Matt to reception the second time when we know that just isn't true.  Gerry sent Matt back down but Gerry made his own way there separately. Manager John Hill also arrived there separately and it was he and Gerry who were there when the GNR arrived.

[Eleanor]

I find the lack of detail in the book relating to events prior to the Thursday night concerning. They also wrongly claim that Gerry accompanied Matt to reception the second time when we know that just isn't true.  Gerry sent Matt back down but Gerry made his own way there separately. Manager John Hill also arrived there separately and it was he and Gerry who were there when the GNR arrived.

Thank You.  So what is that supposed to mean?

[Alfred R Jones]

Does Summers and Swan mention the fact that the AG had to shelve the case because the tapas group refused to take part in a reconstitution?

Did they investigate the real reasons why they refused?  Were they interviewed?

A definitive account was it??   &%&£(+

Summers and Swan do discuss the reconstruction, and explain the reasons why the friends + Jez Wilkins were reluctant to take part.  They do not say that the failure to take part was the reason the case was shelved and unless you can provide proof that this was the case I would respectfully suggest that you must be mistaken.   

[pathfinder73]

I find the lack of detail in the book relating to events prior to the Thursday night concerning. They also wrongly claim that Gerry accompanied Matt to reception the second time when we know that just isn't true.  Gerry sent Matt back down but Gerry made his own way there separately. Manager John Hill also arrived there separately and it was he and Gerry who were there when the GNR arrived.

S&S claim Gerry told Matt to go and phone the police when it was Fiona. Fiona and Matt both reveal that in their interviews but S&S conveniently ignore their statements and have used Madeleine as their source. Matt in his rog says he never saw Gerry again after they first split up to search until he arrived at the OC at around 10:40.

[stephen25000]

Summers and Swan do discuss the reconstruction, and explain the reasons why the friends + Jez Wilkins were reluctant to take part.  They do not say that the failure to take part was the reason the case was shelved and unless you can provide proof that this was the case I would respectfully suggest that you must be mistaken.

'S and S' are irrelevant.

Just 2 would be investigators making money from a missing child, and who have come up with nothing new, and have not examined all scenarios with equal application.