Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine

[Angelo222]

A book which claims to be the most definitive available presently must above all contain information which is verifiably correct so if the rest of the book is anything like Chapter two then it fails abysmally to attract any credibility as a serious piece of investigative work.  Nil ponts.

[Angelo222]

Summers and Swan do discuss the reconstruction, and explain the reasons why the friends + Jez Wilkins were reluctant to take part.  They do not say that the failure to take part was the reason the case was shelved and unless you can provide proof that this was the case I would respectfully suggest that you must be mistaken.

I suggest you review Section E of the official archive report Alfred which ends....

We believe that the main damage was caused to the McCann arguidos, who lost the possibility to prove what they have protested since they were constituted arguidos: their innocence towards the fateful event; the investigation was also disturbed, because said facts remain unclarified.
 
www.mccannfiles.com/id136.html

[Alfred R Jones]

I suggest you review Section E of the official archive report Alfred which ends....

We believe that the main damage was caused to the McCann arguidos, who lost the possibility to prove what they have protested since they were constituted arguidos: their innocence towards the fateful event; the investigation was also disturbed, because said facts remain unclarified.
 
www.mccannfiles.com/id136.html

Can you quote where it says "and because of their failure to take part in the reconstruction we had to shelve the case"?

[Alfred R Jones]

What sort of a tin-pot  judicial system stops investigating a suspect because they won't co-operate in an event designed to gather evidence against them?

[Angelo222]

I haven't gone off topic Eleanor.  We are discussing Summers and Swan and their failure to acknowledge that one of the reasons the investigation had to be shelved was because the tapas group refused to take part in a reconstitution which was essential according to the final police report.  Clearly Summers and Swan have a very strange idea of what constitutes impartial investigative journalism.

[ferryman]

I haven't gone off topic Eleanor.  We are discussing Summers and Swan and their failure to acknowledge that one of the reasons the investigation had to be shelved was because the tapas group refused to take part in a reconstitution which was essential according to the final police report.  Clearly Summers and Swan have a very strange idea of what constitutes impartial investigative journalism.

Failure to acknowledge?

Without a reconstruction, Scotland Yard shifted the timeline.

Job done!

[Alfred R Jones]

I haven't gone off topic Eleanor.  We are discussing Summers and Swan and their failure to acknowledge that one of the reasons the investigation had to be shelved was because the tapas group refused to take part in a reconstitution which was essential according to the final police report.  Clearly Summers and Swan have a very strange idea of what constitutes impartial investigative journalism.

And I repeat - what sort of a tin-pot judicial system is it that put the onus on the suspect to solve the case for them, and gives up when they won't co-operate?

[Angelo222]

Can you quote where it says "and because of their failure to take part in the reconstruction we had to shelve the case"?

You have to read the Archive Report together with the Final PJ Report.  Together they explain that due diligences could not be completed because of a failure by certain parties to collaborate with the investigation.

[Angelo222]

And for what its worth Eleanor I am 100% behind you in your decisions.  You are very fair, too fair possibly.

[Alfred R Jones]

And for what its worth Eleanor I am 100% behind you in your decisions.  You are very fair, too fair possibly.

At last something we can agree on. 

[Mr Gray]

I haven't gone off topic Eleanor.  We are discussing Summers and Swan and their failure to acknowledge that one of the reasons the investigation had to be shelved was because the tapas group refused to take part in a reconstitution which was essential according to the final police report.  Clearly Summers and Swan have a very strange idea of what constitutes impartial investigative journalism.

on topic...everyone has their own idea of what impartial means....The book deals with the known facts and dispels lots of myths...they show that the dogs alerts do not prove anything...maddie's dna was not found in the car. On the whole it is extremely supportive of the mccanns...that's because the evidence supports their innocence. This makes them very unpopular with those who have completely misunderstood the evidence and think the mccanns are in some way implicated

[Angelo222]

And once more - what sort of a tin-pot judicial system is it that put the onus on the suspect to solve the case for them, and gives up when they won't co-operate?

Some have claimed that the designation of arguido Murat some 4 months prior to the change in the law had a part to play in what eventually happened. Under the new rules, after a period of 14 months had elapsed ( 8 + two 3 month extensions max) the AG had to accuse or archive the case.  So 14 months after having been designated as arguido, Murat was released as was Kate and Gerry McCann.

[Alfred R Jones]

on topic...everyone has their own idea of what impartial means....The book deals with the known facts and dispels lots of myths...they show that the dogs alerts do not prove anything...maddie's dna was not found in the car. On the whole it is extremely supportive of the mccanns...that's because the evidence supports their innocence. This makes them very unpopular with those who have completely misunderstood the evidence and think the mccanns are in some way implicated

Funnily enough I think the book is quite neutral about the McCanns themselves - it doesn't paint them as wonderful, admirable people, or as bad, neglectful parents.  It does however support fully the theory that Madeleine was abducted which is understandable when one reads and understands all the facts presented.

[Alfred R Jones]

Some have claimed that the designation of arguido Murat some 4 months prior to the change in the law had a part to play in what eventually happened. Under the new rules, after a period of 14 months had elapsed ( 8 + two 3 month extensions max) the AG had to accuse or archive the case.  So 14 months after having been designated an arguido Murat was released.

So, where does that leave your contention that it was the failure to the McCanns to take part in a reconstruction that forced the shelving of the enquiry?

[stephen25000]

Now is there any truth in this I wonder ?

'...........the book's sales figures have actually gone into reverse, with 2 sales and 18 customers asking for a refund. Its current world ranking is now 556,462 having just been overtaken by a sudden surge in popularity by new entry, "Cannibalism For Dummies"...........'


Some things you can't make up.