Its blame Sheila time again!

[John]

The only way that Jeremy Bamber will ever overturn his conviction is to persuade the CCRC and then the Appeal Court that Sheila was responsible for four murders and her own suicide.  Quite an uphill task if the truth be known.

We have looked at all the evidence, we have even looked at the preposterous wild theories being promoted by Bamber fanatic Mike (ali bongo) Teskowski and others and it all comes down to one thing.

SHEILA IS INNOCENT!

[Dillon]

The only way that Jeremy Bamber will ever overturn his conviction is to persuade the CCRC and then the Appeal Court that Sheila was responsible for four murders and her own suicide.  Quite an uphill task if the truth be known.

We have looked at all the evidence, we have even looked at the preposterous wild theories being promoted by Bamber fanatic Mike (ali bongo) Teskowski and others and it all comes down to one thing.

SHEILA IS INNOCENT!

You are so right John. The numpties on the blue forum ( Egap, Tesko, Lookout, Maggie, April , Caroline R etc ) are literally desperate to convince someone that Sheila could have been responsible. This is Bamber's only real line of defence. Sorry, silly old Lookout. She was not strong at all and is described by those who actually knew her as having very poor arm musculature. All this endless armchair theorising by people who did not know her nor have had full access to her medical history is bizarre. These people seem to have limitless time to post about things which they do not understand basing their " expert " knowledge on Google searches. They all need to get a life and to stop defaming the memory of someone who cannot answer back. Their kangaroo trial of Sheila is evil, unfair and unjust.   

[Joanne]

I think (for what it's worth) there has been too much emphasis on Sheila's mental state, possibly (and I say it as loud as I can) because people watch the news about killings and there are times when a paranoid schizophrenic hasn't taken medication and turned on a relative. Its unfortunate that SOME people associate this to Sheila "Oh, she's gone off on one and killed 5 people" which is clearly not the case.
There are plenty of people who suffer from a mental illness or episode who successfully recover or continue to receive treatment without issue or have an issue and then sucessfully recover.
Obviously JB and his bamberettes haven't caught on (and I was one of them) after 25 years that he isn't going to leave prison despite numerous appeals, surely that must make people think. I know people have to wait a long time for justice (Stefan Kizcho/Barry George to name too) but what about justice for Sheila? We're half way there-JB is in prison, now it's his fan club who need telling.

[John]

I don't think telling will work with them Joanne.  It is going to take something a bit stronger like an injunction but all good things come to them that wait they say.

Thanks to my insiders within Essex Police I previously posted that a high level team were already looking into the activities of a certain person who has constantly libelled several police officers and others. I stated at the time that they were not allowed to move on this information until the CCRC application had been exhausted. 

Not long to go now.   

[Joanne]

You're absolutely right John.
I do feel sorry for the remainder of the family, everytime there's an appeal or programme on TV, the pro forums go mad and hype things up to the max. It's not good for them having to deal with it, they lost enough at the time without the 'free JB campaign', it's a shame the people can't or won't read the whole evidence and then make their minds up.

[Dillon]

You're absolutely right John.
I do feel sorry for the remainder of the family, everytime there's an appeal or programme on TV, the pro forums go mad and hype things up to the max. It's not good for them having to deal with it, they lost enough at the time without the 'free JB campaign', it's a shame the people can't or won't read the whole evidence and then make their minds up.

Members of the family who loved and cherished Nevill, June, Sheila. Daniel and Nicholas have never been allowed closure . Bamber and his weird collection of followers have kept up the pressure for nearly 27 years.  Police officers, members of the family and other witnesses have been libelled . Buddy's last bout on this forum in relation to Julie Mugford was a good example. Trial by internet is unjust. These hypocrites rant on about fairness for Bamber but then proceed to in effect try others alive and deceased. Most ordinary people cannot afford the cost, complexity and emotional turmoil of pursuing a libel case, particularly when the perpetrators probably have few assets anyway. So if it is true that Essex Police are considering civil action then as far as I am concerned, they have my full support.   

[Dillon]

Oh, and please add Patti/Grahame to my list of blue forum numpties who need to get out more and try to have a life.

[Myster]

How can anyone contemplate Sheila dashing up and downstairs to reload from the bullets spilled near the phone in the kitchen or from the gun cupboard?

If you are prepared to destroy a whole family, especially with .22 ammunition, you would need to carry as much as possible about your person, either in a pocket or gun-belt pocket, or in another magazine, as once you had started you may well have woken up those still sleeping and would have to carry out the rest of the operation in as little time as possible...., Sheila's nightdress had no pockets, and no live rounds, only spent ones and shell cases were found upstairs.

Photographs of the Eley subsonic hollow-points like those used in the Anschutz 525 can be deceptive.
Although longer at about 25mm., their diameter at just over 5mm. is similar to the run of the mill .22 slug-firing air rifle.
An illustration of similar .22's size and penetrating power at short range is shown in this video...,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeVMaEXk_Yk

 A still photograph of their actual size (inset) is shown below, which should display at the right scale whatever monitor resolution you are using.
 
So although small and "delicate" to look at they can cause severe damage to internal tissues and organs by their mushrooming action.

Would Sheila have had the wherewithal to carry out all this destruction bearing in mind that according to Colin she had never used a gun, and who, to others in the family couldn't make a coffee or beans on toast without spilling any of it?

Even Jeremy Bamber himself admitted in police interview that he had never seen her use a rifle.

[Dillon]

How can anyone contemplate Sheila dashing up and downstairs to reload from the bullets spilled near the phone in the kitchen or from the gun cupboard?

If you are prepared to destroy a whole family, especially with .22 ammunition, you would need to carry as much as possible about your person, either in a pocket or gun-belt pocket, or in another magazine, as once you had started you may well have woken up those still sleeping and would have to carry out the rest of the operation in as little time as possible...., Sheila's nightdress had no pockets, and no live rounds, only spent ones and shell cases were found upstairs.

Photographs of the Eley subsonic hollow-points like those used in the Anschutz 525 can be deceptive.
Although longer at about 25mm., their diameter at just over 5mm. is similar to the run of the mill .22 slug-firing air rifle.
An illustration of similar .22's size and penetrating power at short range is shown in this video...,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeVMaEXk_Yk

 A still photograph of their actual size (inset) is shown below, which should display at the right scale whatever monitor resolution you are using.
 
So although small and "delicate" to look at they can cause severe damage to internal tissues and organs by their mushrooming action.

Would Sheila have had the wherewithal to carry out all this destruction bearing in mind that according to Colin she had never used a gun, and who, to others in the family couldn't make a coffee or beans on toast without spilling any of it?

Even Jeremy Bamber himself admitted in police interview that he had never seen her use a rifle.

Excellent points, Myster. from my family contacts, I can confirm that Sheila detested guns. Bamber, in contrast, was competent in using this type of weapon. He attended a public school, and I beleive was a capable shot there. Having attended a similiar school, I know that weapons training was a normal part of the curriculum. We all had to be members of the Combined Cadet Force, had army rifles, were taught how to fire them on army ranges and also had an indoor .22 range on the school site.

[Myster]

Thanks Dillon, it's good to have someone else other than close family confirm Sheila's disinterest in firearms.

It's normally the male members of farming families, (in my experience at any rate) who show an interest in such things. They have to, in order to keep down vermin, rabbits, pigeons, etc.

Yes it was Gresham's.., the same school attended by James Dyson of vacuum cleaner fame.

[James]

How can anyone contemplate Sheila dashing up and downstairs to reload from the bullets spilled near the phone in the kitchen or from the gun cupboard?

If you are prepared to destroy a whole family, especially with .22 ammunition, you would need to carry as much as possible about your person, either in a pocket or gun-belt pocket, or in another magazine, as once you had started you may well have woken up those still sleeping and would have to carry out the rest of the operation in as little time as possible...., Sheila's nightdress had no pockets, and no live rounds, only spent ones and shell cases were found upstairs.

Photographs of the Eley subsonic hollow-points like those used in the Anschutz 525 can be deceptive.
Although longer at about 25mm., their diameter at just over 5mm. is similar to the run of the mill .22 slug-firing air rifle.
An illustration of similar .22's size and penetrating power at short range is shown in this video...,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeVMaEXk_Yk

 A still photograph of their actual size (inset) is shown below, which should display at the right scale whatever monitor resolution you are using.
 
So although small and "delicate" to look at they can cause severe damage to internal tissues and organs by their mushrooming action.

Would Sheila have had the wherewithal to carry out all this destruction bearing in mind that according to Colin she had never used a gun, and who, to others in the family couldn't make a coffee or beans on toast without spilling any of it?

Even Jeremy Bamber himself admitted in police interview that he had never seen her use a rifle.

Excellent points, Myster. from my family contacts, I can confirm that Sheila detested guns. Bamber, in contrast, was competent in using this type of weapon. He attended a public school, and I beleive was a capable shot there. Having attended a similiar school, I know that weapons training was a normal part of the curriculum. We all had to be members of the Combined Cadet Force, had army rifles, were taught how to fire them on army ranges and also had an indoor .22 range on the school site.

That is what the camp site manager Mr Carr said in his statement as well.   He said that Sheila may have gone out shooting with some of them when she was a teenager but she wouldn't carry a gun.  She detested firearms. 

[John]

June's sister even recalled an event at white House farm one day not that long before the murders when Jeremy tried to show Sheila how to load the magazine and rifle but she wasn't having any it.  And now we are expected to believe that she could pick up a rifle, load it at least three times and fire off twenty five rounds with expert precision and end up maintaining her perfectly manicured finger nails.

Something else worth noting.  It says on the official Bamber website that 26 bullets were fired.  Is there something Jeremy isn't telling us since only 25 rounds are accounted for?

[puglove]

If police picked up a gun from the window, as Mike insists, and walked around with it, before placing it on Sheila (I'm sorry, why was that, again?) wouldn't they at least make sure that there wasn't a bullet left in it? Wouldn't the gun be made safe before someone started waving it about, and messing with Sheila's finger on the trigger?

[Dillon]

June was worried about Jeremy trying to get Sheila interested in handling guns, probably because Sheila was notoriously ill coordinated and this was exacerbated by her medication. Some say that her ability to paint her toe nails contradicts this, but Sheila was a very pretty girl, who had been interested in her appearance since her early teens, so applying make up etc would have been a very over learned skill set. I have posted before that it is a myth to think that women on farms were necessarily competent with firearms. Some are, but the traditional nature of farming is such that they would often have had different roles such as being excellent cooks, rearing poultry etc. However, women often participate in farm shoots as beaters; a sociable day out. If one bought into the theory that Sheila went from being placid earlier in the evening prior to the killings into a huge state of manic, psychotic rage, is it really likely that she would have used a rifle, firing multiple relatively accurate shots and having to reload the weapon ? This has to be nonsense. It is far more likely that an individual with her abilities would have resorted to  more primitive weapons under those circumstances, such as kitchen knives. 

[Angelo222]

June was worried about Jeremy trying to get Sheila interested in handling guns, probably because Sheila was notoriously ill coordinated and this was exacerbated by her medication. Some say that her ability to paint her toe nails contradicts this, but Sheila was a very pretty girl, who had been interested in her appearance since her early teens, so applying make up etc would have been a very over learned skill set. I have posted before that it is a myth to think that women on farms were necessarily competent with firearms. Some are, but the traditional nature of farming is such that they would often have had different roles such as being excellent cooks, rearing poultry etc. However, women often participate in farm shoots as beaters; a sociable day out. If one bought into the theory that Sheila went from being placid earlier in the evening prior to the killings into a huge state of manic, psychotic rage, is it really likely that she would have used a rifle, firing multiple relatively accurate shots and having to reload the weapon ? This has to be nonsense. It is far more likely that an individual with her abilities would have resorted to  more primitive weapons under those circumstances, such as kitchen knives.

Quite right Dillon.   Sheila hated guns as you know and wouldn't even let the boys have toy guns.  It is hardly plausible therefore that she would use the very weapon she abhorred.

It was all too convenient for my liking, jeremy trying to educate Sheila as to how to load the rifle and in the presence of Pamela.  Then the rifle and magazine being left conveniently in view for Sheila to use.  Had it not been for Julie Mugford's testimony about the months prior to the murders we may have never known that what was in fact isolated events was instead a concerted attempt by Jeremy Bamber to prepare the way in order to blame Sheila.  He is a cold calculating killer in many ways, his deeds are testament to this.