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Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #315 on: August 17, 2015, 03:33:52 PM »
"A four-year-old British boy has drowned at a holiday villa on Spain's Costa del Sol, it has been confirmed.

One local newspaper, Diario Sur, reported that the boy's parents were having dinner with friends while the child played with older children at the back of the property"

http://news.sky.com/story/1537026/boy-4-drowns-at-spanish-holiday-villa


Any parallels here then ???
More children have died in pool accidents than as a result of baby listening services

stephen25000

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« Reply #316 on: August 17, 2015, 04:22:24 PM »
More children have died in pool accidents than as a result of baby listening services


Was that just like the baby listening service that was 'just like being in the back garden' ?

Alfred R Jones

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« Reply #317 on: August 17, 2015, 05:31:21 PM »
"A four-year-old British boy has drowned at a holiday villa on Spain's Costa del Sol, it has been confirmed.

One local newspaper, Diario Sur, reported that the boy's parents were having dinner with friends while the child played with older children at the back of the property"

http://news.sky.com/story/1537026/boy-4-drowns-at-spanish-holiday-villa


Any parallels here then ???
What a tragic story.  I note the parents did not cover this up, presumably because they acted as any normal parents would in such appalling circumstances.   Now, will you be starting a campaign to have them prosecuted for neglect?

stephen25000

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« Reply #318 on: August 17, 2015, 05:48:34 PM »
What a tragic story.  I note the parents did not cover this up, presumably because they acted as any normal parents would in such appalling circumstances.   Now, will you be starting a campaign to have them prosecuted for neglect?

Do you see these passing the blame to other people for their failings ?

The parents took responsibility for what happened here and yes they have my sympathy.

Likewise they didn't make up stories and back themselves with a PR machine.

ferryman

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« Reply #319 on: August 17, 2015, 06:18:38 PM »
Do you see these passing the blame to other people for their failings ?

The parents took responsibility for what happened here and yes they have my sympathy.

Likewise they didn't make up stories and back themselves with a PR machine.

Did anyone accuse them of anything nefarious?

Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #320 on: August 17, 2015, 06:28:02 PM »
I have absolute sympathy for both the families

stephen25000

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« Reply #321 on: August 17, 2015, 07:02:50 PM »
Did anyone accuse them of anything nefarious?

The mccanns and associates versions of events changed.

These parents have said what happened from the start.

Offline mercury

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« Reply #322 on: August 17, 2015, 09:02:22 PM »
Scour the video of Eddie with cuddle-cat and you will sour in vain for sight of him picking up the toy and tossing it in the air.

But we know it happened because PJ Inspector Dias records that it happened (confirming the memories of those of us who remember the original before Levy meddled with the footage).

So if Levy meddled with film, how can we sure that the rogatory interviews, also brought to us by Levy, haven't similarly been meddled with?

I will get back to you on that as I believe the video available at the moment is not the samd as the original version put out there in 2008 which did show Eddie tossing the toy.

Offline mercury

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« Reply #323 on: August 17, 2015, 09:42:36 PM »
Scour the video of Eddie with cuddle-cat and you will sour in vain for sight of him picking up the toy and tossing it in the air.

But we know it happened because PJ Inspector Dias records that it happened (confirming the memories of those of us who remember the original before Levy meddled with the footage).

So if Levy meddled with film, how can we sure that the rogatory interviews, also brought to us by Levy, haven't similarly been meddled with?

Ok I have checked, as per my previous post, the current video (link from Pegasus just above) differs from the original video put out (see Eddie and Keela extended videos on youtube) but seemingly only in sequence. The original one had the time sequence correct,  first 5a, the other flats, then villa and cars. In any case, in both, you can see Eddie removing the toy  from its place behind that chair whilst making a "gruff noise for wont of a better word"and throwing it out onto the floor. It may have been described as "tossing it in the air" by Ins Dias whilst describing just that. I don't see how you can go from that to an allegation that the rogatory interviews have been doctored. If you suspect Levy sat there for hours on end trawling through that, to add in nefarious elements, feel free to detail in what regard and with examples. As I said in my original post, they are identical to the ones secured by a different poster who had a connection  with LP and who "was" (take note) a Mccann supporter.

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Offline Carana

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« Reply #324 on: August 18, 2015, 07:58:53 AM »
Ok I have checked, as per my previous post, the current video (link from Pegasus just above) differs from the original video put out (see Eddie and Keela extended videos on youtube) but seemingly only in sequence. The original one had the time sequence correct,  first 5a, the other flats, then villa and cars. In any case, in both, you can see Eddie removing the toy  from its place behind that chair whilst making a "gruff noise for wont of a better word"and throwing it out onto the floor. It may have been described as "tossing it in the air" by Ins Dias whilst describing just that. I don't see how you can go from that to an allegation that the rogatory interviews have been doctored. If you suspect Levy sat there for hours on end trawling through that, to add in nefarious elements, feel free to detail in what regard and with examples. As I said in my original post, they are identical to the ones secured by a different poster who had a connection  with LP and who "was" (take note) a Mccann supporter.

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The first I saw of the dog videos was the short clip (the car one) in the Sun, then videos started appearing on Levy's blog - the 5A one first. This argument about different versions floating around has been going on for years. At the time, I went back to check dates of when I first saw them and the dates of the video uploads on Levy's channel (before they were taken down by Vimeo or whatever the service was): they were the same. The short sequence of CC being knocked off and then suddenly ending up in the middle of the villa lounge is the same. There IS a cut in the edited footage (as CC is suddenly in a different spot), but that is the version that was originally uploaded.

The extended versions are clearly not the full footage, but (IMO) would have been edited by the PJ to be able to play the key moments to play to Kate / Gerry and presumably the lawyer. At the time, they may have hoped that they'd be able to play it in court.

I have no recollection of Paulo being involved in the videos. I DO have what is now a vague recollection that he'd said he'd obtained the rogs by writing off for them (on one of the 3A threads). My only doubt now (as it's such a long time ago) is whether he was explaining how he'd got hold of the DVD files, but I still think he was talking about the rogs.
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Offline Eleanor

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« Reply #325 on: August 18, 2015, 08:12:01 AM »

I seem to remember that Laffin Assassin got hold of copies of the Files and Rogatory Interviews very early on.

Offline Carana

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« Reply #326 on: August 18, 2015, 08:37:26 AM »
I seem to remember that Laffin Assassin got hold of copies of the Files and Rogatory Interviews very early on.

Everybody and their brother seems to have got hold of a copy of the DVD...

Offline Carana

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« Reply #327 on: August 18, 2015, 08:50:27 AM »
The rogs started to emerge after the DVD.

Another point of my recollection is that Paulo was challenged on 3A about how he got the rogs as they weren't on the DVD and were part of the UK files and he'd replied that he was entitled to request them as a journalist and that the rogs were were carried out on behalf of the PJ and therefore should be considered as part of the accessible files.

Offline jassi

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« Reply #328 on: August 18, 2015, 09:21:27 AM »
The rogs started to emerge after the DVD.

Another point of my recollection is that Paulo was challenged on 3A about how he got the rogs as they weren't on the DVD and were part of the UK files and he'd replied that he was entitled to request them as a journalist and that the rogs were were carried out on behalf of the PJ and therefore should be considered as part of the accessible files.

And what a wonderful source of information they have proved to be.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Carana

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« Reply #329 on: August 18, 2015, 09:31:47 AM »
And what a wonderful source of information they have proved to be.

They certainly cleared up a lot of questions for me...