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[mercury]

If anyone can find any significant relevance to the disappearance of Madeleine Mccann here, pls do share..I mean, what exactly is there to "discuss"?

[pegasus]

If anyone can find any significant relevance to the disappearance of Madeleine Mccann here, pls do share..I mean, what exactly is there to "discuss"?

Seconded. Is there any evidence this person was in PDL or even in Portugal on May 3rd? 

[mercury]

Seconded. Is there any evidence this person was in PDL or even in Portugal on May 3rd?

And the rest, just another example of every tom dick and harry in the world who has ever committed a crime being linked to madeleine mccann if they can be......but in reality is a million miles away from even being imagined (though by some as a possible perpetrator for reasons only known by them!!!)
no wonder its taken sy and people like brietta and co  13m £ and 4 plus years to get nowhere, chasing shadows... In very young child crimes the perpetrators are normally nearer to home be that parents relatives or friends
goodnght

[Brietta]

And the rest, just another example of every tom dick and harry in the world who has ever committed a crime being linked to madeleine mccann if they can be......but in reality is a million miles away from even being imagined (though by some as a possible perpetrator for reasons only known by them!!!)
no wonder its taken sy and people like brietta and co  13m £ and 4 plus years to get nowhere, chasing shadows... In very young child crimes the perpetrators are normally nearer to home be that parents relatives or friends
goodnght

Well it certainly reminded the victim very much of Madeleine McCann whether you unsurprisingly choose to see the correlation or not.

Why would a man you had never met and who you knew nothing about take it upon himself to find out everything about you to make your life as miserable as possible?

There has been an argument that it would not have been possible to 'target' Madeleine prior to the family visit to Luz.

This man found no difficulty in finding out everything there was to know about his target ... and rather thankfully ... chose not to keep it to himself and just do it ... she had forewarning when her daughter was threatened with kidnap.

Although internet use and social media were in their infancy in 2007, there was still plenty of opportunity for anyone who felt like it to track families with children.

I don't know what is 'normal' behaviour for a stalker like Luis de Barra Silva ... however I found the kidnap threat directed at his victim's daughter bizarre.

[mercury]

The story is about  a personal obsessed unrequited violent stalker...unless youre suggesting one of the mccanns were stalked and a threat was made to kidnap ther child, then yes, it has zero to do with the case

[Brietta]

The story is about  a personal obsessed unrequited violent stalker...unless youre suggesting one of the mccanns were stalked and a threat was made to kidnap ther child, then yes, it has zero to do with the case

But as far as you are concerned, nothing has relevance to Madeleine's case if it doesn't fit your rather myopic view.  Try taking in the bigger picture.

It is perfectly possible Madeleine could have been targeted weeks or months before the event ... I don't know and neither do you.

Luis de Barra Silva fixated on someone who had never set eyes on him.

In the event if he had kept that to himself and carried out the threat he had made to kidnap the little girl and take her to Portugal with him ... where would the police have started looking?
There was nothing to connect him with his victim.  No-one knew him.  As I have already said ... he knew everything about them.
I think it possible that a little forward planning would be enough to replicate what happened to Madeleine and leave no obvious trace.  This man certainly proved there are a few seriously disturbed people out there one of whom was content to terrify an innocent mother with the threat of kidnapping her daughter and the first thing that came to mind was Madeleine.

So if you see no connection ... she certainly did ... and for all we know perhaps he did too.

[pathfinder73]

But as far as you are concerned, nothing has relevance to Madeleine's case if it doesn't fit your rather myopic view.  Try taking in the bigger picture.

It is perfectly possible Madeleine could have been targeted weeks or months before the event ... I don't know and neither do you.

Luis de Barra Silva fixated on someone who had never set eyes on him.

In the event if he had kept that to himself and carried out the threat he had made to kidnap the little girl and take her to Portugal with him ... where would the police have started looking?
There was nothing to connect him with his victim.  No-one knew him.  As I have already said ... he knew everything about them.
I think it possible that a little forward planning would be enough to replicate what happened to Madeleine and leave no obvious trace.  This man certainly proved there are a few seriously disturbed people out there one of whom was content to terrify an innocent mother with the threat of kidnapping her daughter and the first thing that came to mind was Madeleine.

So if you see no connection ... she certainly did ... and for all we know perhaps he did too.

So that's what caused the crying for 75 minutes. An abductor who has been watching her for days first tried on TUE and failed. And then tried again on the most frequent checking night. That makes perfect sense NOT!

[mercury]

But as far as you are concerned, nothing has relevance to Madeleine's case if it doesn't fit your rather myopic view.  Try taking in the bigger picture.

It is perfectly possible Madeleine could have been targeted weeks or months before the event ... I don't know and neither do you.

Luis de Barra Silva fixated on someone who had never set eyes on him.

In the event if he had kept that to himself and carried out the threat he had made to kidnap the little girl and take her to Portugal with him ... where would the police have started looking?
There was nothing to connect him with his victim.  No-one knew him.  As I have already said ... he knew everything about them.
I think it possible that a little forward planning would be enough to replicate what happened to Madeleine and leave no obvious trace.  This man certainly proved there are a few seriously disturbed people out there one of whom was content to terrify an innocent mother with the threat of kidnapping her daughter and the first thing that came to mind was Madeleine.

So if you see no connection ... she certainly did ... and for all we know perhaps he did too.

You obviously have the more myopic view...as well as the non discerning wider one...quite a combination,,,this person was NOT fixated on a child...and you OBVIOUSLY did not read or answer my post, finally dont be so ridiculous, its starting to be embarrassing

[pathfinder73]

I found this interesting:

There were 3 curtain items, a sample piece of the white curtain 286B/2007-CR/L 1 which was collected on the 3rd August following the alert by Keela:

'Finally, it was also requested by the investigating officers that we proceeded also with the delivery to FSS of Birmingham, United Kingdom, for further laboratory examination, a piece of the other white lining from the blue curtains numbered 16, that had been collected on 3 August 2007.

The paper package containing that piece of white lining was delivered to FSS of Birmingham, in the United Kingdom, under cover of delivery note 286B/2007-CR/L, a copy of which is attached.'

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BLOOD.htm

And the two blue curtains 286A/2007 CRL 16 curtain 1 and 286A/2007 CRL 16 curtain 2 which were collected on the 4th August.

'On 4 August there were collected at [the above address]:
- Three (3) spots from the floor, numbered as trace evidence 1 to 3;
- Ten (10) spots from the wall, numbered as trace evidence 4 to 13;
- Two (2) spots from the back of one blue, cloth-upholstered sofa existing in the living room, numbered as trace evidence 14 to 15;
- Two blue curtains with white curtain lining from one of the windows of the living
room, numbered as trace evidence 16.'

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BLOOD.htm

and

'b) Samples collected in the living room of the apartment 5A, block A, Ocean Club, tourist resort, Praia da Luz, Lagos, on August 3rd, 2007, following the second examination carried out by a British specialist dog team (Delivery note no. 286B/2007-CR/L):

1. A piece of fabric from white curtain next to a window in the living room.
C) Samples collected in the living room of the apartment 5A, block A, Ocean Club tourist resort, Praia Da Luz, Lagos, on August 4th , 2007, following the second examination carried out by a British specialist dog team (Delivery note no. 286A/2007-CR/L):'

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

In his report Martin combines the alert to the tiles on the 31st July and the alert to the curtain on the 3rd August. He does not state that Keela alerted to the blue curtain or to the white lining. He doesn't give a date for any of the searches anywhere in PDL and would know that the PJ would only want to know what alerts occurred at each location, they already know the dates the searches took place on.

'The second alert was one where a definitive area was evident. The CSI dog
was therefore deployed who gave specific alert indications to specific areas
on the tiled floor area behind the sofa and on the curtain in the area that was
in contact with the floor behind the sofa. This would indicate to the likely
presence of human blood.'

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

Keela did not alert to the curtain on the 31st July purely because she didn't examine it closely as Martin stops the fingertip search after she has alerted to the tiles in the same area that Eddie did. The search on the 3rd August looks to have been more thorough with the curtains closed as in the photo and she has sniffed her way all along them and has then alerted to the hem of 286A/2007 CRL 16 curtain 2.

Curtains back of sofa


http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post17295.html#p17295

The blue curtains and one white lining and the separate piece of white lining are then sent to the FSS and Lowe finds low level incomplete DNA on the hem of the blue curtain 286A/2007 CRL 16 curtain 2.

'Low level incomplete DNA results, which in certain circumstances showed a contribution of DNA from more than one person were obtained from biological material on the following swabs: 286A/2007 CRL 14a, 14b, 15a; the swab from the hem of the curtain 286A/2007 CRL 16 curtain 2; the swabs from the tile pieces 286/2007 CRL 2 areas 1 and 2 and 3 area 1. In my opinion there is no evidence to support the view that anyone from the McCann family contributed their DNA to them results.'

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

He then states:

'The curtains (286A/2007 - CR/L 16 and 16B) and the piece of white curtain (286B/2007 - CR/L 1) and the fragments of bushes (286/2007 CR/L 21) were examined for the presence of blood. No blood was found. '

and later

'FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 21

286A/2007-CRL 16 & 16B Two blue curtains and one white curtain
286B/2007-CRL 1 One white section of a curtain

These curtains were analysed for traces of blood, semen and saliva, none of which were detected. The hem of one of the blue curtains (16) was swabbed to collect any cellular material that might exist. An incomplete, inconclusive DNA result consisting only of two unconfirmed DNA components was obtained. In my opinion the result is not adequate for comparison purposes. The sample was submitted for LCN analysis.

An incomplete, low-level DNA result, comprising only some DNA components, was obtained through LCN from the CELLULAR MATERIAL recovered from the hem of one the curtains. In my opinion, this result contained information too meagre to permit a meaningful interpretation.'

So blood was found on the blue curtain and it was not a false positive by Keela as you claim at all.

You clearly don't realise that blood is made up of two major components: plasma and CELLULAR MATERIAL.

http://www.britannica.com/science/plasma-biology/images-videos/blood-plasma-and-cellular-material/83750

'Blood: Plasma and Cellular Material
Blood is made up of two major components: plasma and cellular material.'

and of course, from Martin himself:

'The components of blood are approximately:
Red cells 40-50%
Plasma 55% (of which 95% is water)
White cells
Platelets
DNA can only be removed from white cells.
This would suggest that, of the samples signalled by the dog looking for human blood, approximately 5% are available for DNA tests.'

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

[Alice Purjorick]

But as far as you are concerned, nothing has relevance to Madeleine's case if it doesn't fit your rather myopic view.  Try taking in the bigger picture.

It is perfectly possible Madeleine could have been targeted weeks or months before the event ... I don't know and neither do you.

Luis de Barra Silva fixated on someone who had never set eyes on him.

In the event if he had kept that to himself and carried out the threat he had made to kidnap the little girl and take her to Portugal with him ... where would the police have started looking?
There was nothing to connect him with his victim.  No-one knew him.  As I have already said ... he knew everything about them.
I think it possible that a little forward planning would be enough to replicate what happened to Madeleine and leave no obvious trace.  This man certainly proved there are a few seriously disturbed people out there one of whom was content to terrify an innocent mother with the threat of kidnapping her daughter and the first thing that came to mind was Madeleine.

So if you see no connection ... she certainly did ... and for all we know perhaps he did too.

An interesting proposition. We like all that don't we? Well1 until it's given a couple of nano seconds thought then it don't look so bright.

[mercury]

How was  MM targetted weeks and months before please do Explain

Thats to Brieetta

[Brietta]

How was  MM targetted weeks and months before please do Explain

Thats to Brieetta

Do try thinking about it.

Luis de Barra Silva spotted his victim in a public place and targeted her ... take it from there.

[G-Unit]

The abduction fantasy?


"You will also be aware of the Madeleine McCann case. Both this and the [Ben] Needham case are categorised as a missing persons, rather than child abduction cases, as there is no evidence in either case to support whether the children were or were not abducted."

- The Foreign and Commonwealth Office responding to a Freedom of Information request in connection with missing Ben Needham

[mercury]

Do try thinking about it.

Luis de Barra Silva spotted his victim in a public place and targeted her ... take it from there.

It doesn't require much thought, I just wanted you to confirm that you think MM was spotted in the UK or Ireland or wherever she was, weeks or months earlier ,  targetted, and was followed to Portugal, as that must be what you are suggesting, if not, then do explain.Ta.

[Mr Gray]

The abduction fantasy?


"You will also be aware of the Madeleine McCann case. Both this and the [Ben] Needham case are categorised as a missing persons, rather than child abduction cases, as there is no evidence in either case to support whether the children were or were not abducted."

- The Foreign and Commonwealth Office responding to a Freedom of Information request in connection with missing Ben Needham

do you have  a link to this