Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.

[Brietta]

Thank you and hello.... The case is intriguing. I've read a great deal around aspects that I find particularly interesting. I was initially drawn to this case because I could not understand why Clarence Mitchell continually emphasised the importance of Jane Tanner's sighting but for months ignored the Smith family sighting.

There is much nonsense and chaff from both sides but I believe there are certain verifiable facts that we need to remember. So for instance it seems clear to me that the statement "nothing more was found" [following dog alerts in the McCann case] can be easily demolished if you consider the evidence. Following the dog alerts traces of human cellular material were found and tested in the UK. In terms of proving a link to Madeleine McCann we know that the FSS reported that the results were "too complex for meaningful interpretation".

Science doesn't stand still though - and it has been reported that methods are now available to allow for a more conclusive interpretation of the results. I'm sure everyone concerned with this case will be eager for a conclusive interpretation of the DNA analysis of human cellular material collected from areas where the dogs alerted.

When did the Smith sighting become known in the public domain?

[jassi]

When did the Smith sighting become known in the public domain?

You mean you don't know?
I felt sure you would have a clipping about it stored away in your archives.
[I have reported this post to John I said:  "sniping - will alert offender".  Stop it.]

[Robittybob1]

So what did they find in Jersey and what did they find in PDL

If I'm understanding the situations correctly there has been no court cases involving the dog alerts at  PdL or in Jersey as yet.  Therefore Martin Grime has not had to give evidence in these cases.

[Lace]

Hi Misty. It is feasible that the forensic scientists missed blood and by chance sampled some other human cellular material. It is also possible that this cellular material was from Madeleine McCann as well as at least two other people. The FSS couldn’t then provide a conclusive interpretation of the results but as I stated science moves forward and we now have scientists in the USA claiming that they would be able to offer a conclusive interpretation of the DNA analysis.

You say - "[it is possible]  the cellular material was from Madeleine McCann as well as at least two other people'   end quote

So,  who are these two other people?   It is impossible contrive DNA without knowing the DNA of at least one of the two other people.  IMO

[This post was reported for misquoting member.  Lace failed to quote the words "[it is possible] "]

[Brietta]

What nonsense!

"The FBI considers them -- Martin Grime and his 7-year-old, English Springer Spaniel, Eddie -- two of the best in the law enforcement specialty of canine forensics, able to find evidence everyone else missed.

"Yes, hopefully we will find Theresa Parker. Yes, we will hopefully find evidence," Grime said at an afternoon news conference with Sheriff Steve Wilson in the Walker County Seat of Lafayette on Thursday afternoon."
Specialized K-9 to Aid in Ga. Search todaysthv.com

I was not able to locate your cite following the link provided ... but I did locate it here ... http://eddieandkeela.blogspot.com/2007/09/specialized-k-9-to-aid-in-georgia.html
Hardly unprejudiced as far as the promotion of Eddie and Keela are concerned   🙄

[Lace]

You say - "[it is possible]  the cellular material was from Madeleine McCann as well as at least two other people'   end quote

So,  who are these two other people?   It is impossible contrive DNA without knowing the DNA of at least one of the two other people.  IMO

[This post was reported for misquoting member.  Lace failed to quote the words "[it is possible] "]

I quoted that line from Billy Whizz's post.

[Robittybob1]

I quoted that line from Billy Whizz's post.

I'm saying you didn't quote it properly.  " It is also possible that this cellular material was from Madeleine McCann as well as at least two other people." is the full sentence not "this cellular material was from Madeleine McCann as well as at least two other people"  as you originally quoted it.

[Brietta]

I'm saying you didn't quote it properly.  " It is also possible that this cellular material was from Madeleine McCann as well as at least two other people." is the full sentence not "this cellular material was from Madeleine McCann as well as at least two other people"  as you originally quoted it.

Please may we stop this before it starts.

[Lace]

I'm saying you didn't quote it properly.  " It is also possible that this cellular material was from Madeleine McCann as well as at least two other people." is the full sentence not "this cellular material was from Madeleine McCann as well as at least two other people"  as you originally quoted it.

Ok   

[G-Unit]

What was the key piece of evidence against D'Andre Lane?

Was there a 'key piece' of evidence?

[Robittybob1]

What was the key piece of evidence against D'Andre Lane?

His story about having his car hijacked didn't ring true IMO.

[Mr Gray]

If I'm understanding the situations correctly there has been no court cases involving the dog alerts at  PdL or in Jersey as yet.  Therefore Martin Grime has not had to give evidence in these cases.

We know what the dogs discovered... Grime had already made a statement

[Mr Gray]

The dogs do tend to get you riled don't they.

You are, way off the mark as usual... I'm not in the slightest riled about anything in this case..that's a typical ignorant.... In the true sense of the word.  ...sceptic comment

It's also as hom... Any chance you could address the substance of the post rather than the poster


Note to Rob... In the English language the word ignorant is used to mean a lack of knowledge.... Im not using it as an insult

[ShiningInLuz]

I'm watching a UK Customs programme.  They use drugs dogs on incoming packages because the dogs speed up searching mucho.

Doggie #1 alerts to two packages.  Don't ask me why but the Customs Officers are obliged to get permission to open the packages.

While they wait ...

They trot up doggie #2, who also picks out the suspect packages.

Then doggie #3, who alerts, and doggie #4, who also alerts.

Doggies 2-4 were considered to be on training, as the Officers had as then not been given permission to open the packages.  What had they been training on?

Then permission was given to proceed.

The shipment was books wrapped in cling film.  When opened, the books were hollowed out, and under a fairly simple blocker were packets of cocaine.

Total street value in excess of £1 million

That's 4 smart doggies, all for a reward of playing 'fetch' with a tennis ball.

And doggies 2-4 were training on cocaine.   

[Mr Gray]

I'm watching a UK Customs programme.  They use drugs dogs on incoming packages because the dogs speed up searching mucho.

Doggie #1 alerts to two packages.  Don't ask me why but the Customs Officers are obliged to get permission to open the packages.

While they wait ...

They trot up doggie #2, who also picks out the suspect packages.

Then doggie #3, who alerts, and doggie #4, who also alerts.

Doggies 2-4 were considered to be on training, as the Officers had as then not been given permission to open the packages.  What had they been training on?

Then permission was given to proceed.

The shipment was books wrapped in cling film.  When opened, the books were hollowed out, and under a fairly simple blocker were packets of cocaine.

Total street value in excess of £1 million

That's 4 smart doggies, all for a reward of playing 'fetch' with a tennis ball.

And doggies 2-4 were training on cocaine.   

excellent example of dogs doing what they are trained for...finding evidence....I wonder how many times these dogs alert and nothing is found.

note the drugs were wrapped in cling film yet the brilliant dog still alerted....when the baby seat in the lane case was wrapped in brown paper morse failed to alert...of course the fact Grime couldnt see it when it was wrapped may have had something to do with it

Another note to moderators... I'm not accusing Grime of anything dishonest but.... Is there any evidence that unconscious operator cuing does or does not affect the alerts.  If Grime wants to be taken seriously scientifically this is something he needs to look at